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Old 03-28-2004, 11:19 PM   #1
 
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I'm gonna stand up here and now and say Bush has lost 1 more vote this coming election. what are the possibility someone voting FOR him this election that didn't last election?

I have my reasons. some of which are

#1 Last election I was under the impression I could petition the ATF for a renewal of my rights to bear arms. While I "Could" petition it, unfortunately the dept. that looks over these requests has been DE-funded and it would be an empty attempt.

#2 Last election I was torn to vote for lesser of 2 idiots, While my vote for Bush hit it's mark (kinda) Iam choosing to vote my principles this year not just give my vote to the most electable.

#3 I am not for the kind of loss of freedoms the "Patriot Act" has enabled.



I wonder how many more of us there are and whether Bush has a chance in HEL.


Posturing my vote for a Libertarian candidate.
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Old 03-28-2004, 11:56 PM   #2
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My priorities are different.


This is kerry's 1st 100 Days agenda.


(1) A New National Education Trust Fund
We will propose a National Education Trust Fund to make sure that, for the first time ever, we fully fund our schools so they have the tools to assure our kids can succeed in the 21st century economy. We will make a new deal on education " if Washington is going to mandate something for our schools, then the funding should be mandatory.
CLICK HERE TO SEE THE COMPLETE Real Deal for Education: Plan to Strengthen Public Schools

BS - every President thinks he/she can do something with education. Leave it to the States to decide, not Federal. Both candidates fail this point. Even



(2) A New Era of National Service
John Kerry will call on Americans of all ages " from students to America"s seniors - to serve in our classrooms, after school programs, nursing homes and nursery schools. We will fight to allow students to earn four years of college tuition in exchange for two years of national service. His plan will require mandatory national service for high school kids and enlist a million Americans in service a year.
CLICK HERE TO SEE THE COMPLETE Real Deal for National Service: Plan to Require Service for High School Students

I dunno. GW has a track record of no terrorist attacks since 9-11 ... thats pretty good in my book and says whats going on right now is working . Edge - GW

(3) End the "Era of Ashcroft"
John Ashcroft has launched an all-out assault on individual rights, allowing for a wholesale invasion of attorney-client conversations, e-mails and telephone calls. Immediately after the election, John Kerry will name a new Attorney General whose name is not John Ashcroft. We will also fight to protect women"s rights, civil rights and workers rights and enforce anti-trust laws.
CLICK HERE TO SEE THE COMPLETE Real Deal for Civil Liberties: End the 'Era of Ashcroft'

Newsflash - they did before Homeland Security too. But that last sentence is Liberal to the core and I despise it. Edge GW

(4) Repeal Bush Assault on the Environment and Make U.S. Energy Independent
We will rollback the George W. Bush assault on clean air and clean water and work to strengthen our nation"s environmental laws. Kerry will also put forward a plan to make the U.S. energy independent of Middle East oil in ten years"and create 500,000 jobs by investing in energy renewable sources, such as ethanol, solar, and wind.
CLICK HERE TO SEE THE COMPLETE Real Deal for The Environment

I dunno, another feel good ploy that all Presidents and hopefuls promise and never deliver. I got a feeling Liberals keep us from drilling ANWAR ... so because of that, edge GW

(5) Rejoin the Community of Nations
We will immediately declare the Bush policy of unilateralism over and work to rebuild our shattered alliances all across the globe. We will launch a successful war against terrorism and also restore trust here at home and abroad by making sure that America always tells the whole truth.
Read the Comprehensive Agenda to Make America Secure Again
Read the Plan to Assure America is Prepared for Increased Terrorism Threat


Community of Nations ? Screw 'em. I like Isolationism, I also like stepping up to the plate and not being afraid of the pitcher, the pitchers dug out and the hostile away fans - GW did that, he stomped on toes, he did what he said and said what he meant and I'll take that anyday. Edge GW

(6) First Major Legislative Plan: Affordable Health Care
John Kerry"s first major proposal to Congress will be a realistic plan that stops spiraling healthcare costs, covers every child in America, and makes it possible for every American to get the same health care as any Member of Congress.
CLICK HERE TO SEE THE COMPLETE Real Deal for Medicare: Four Point Plan to Restore Medicare


OMG - another feel good, almost like HillaryCare. Its a pipe dream, not a reality - even

(7) Reward Companies that Create Jobs not Phony Corporate Profit
We will work to reward companies that create jobs by helping with health care costs, a new manufacturing jobs tax credit and new assistance for small businesses. We will also close every single loophole for companies that take jobs offshore and apply new criminal penalties, such as RICO penalties, on companies that defraud their customers and workers.

Lets see, Kerry is going to raise big business taxes - making him enemy #1 for them. But aside from that, I see FEDERAL involvement all over this. Leave the private business sector alone for goodness sake. its bad enough farmers have all but turned into govt employees, lets not escalate this machine any more than the pace its already going at. Edge GW


(8) Create a Middle Class Economy and End the Privileged Class Economy
We will fight to repeal the Bush tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans so that we can invest in education and health care. We will also protect middle class tax cuts, such as the child credit and the elimination of the marriage penalty and propose additional tax credits to help middle class families make ends meet.

No. No, no, no,no, no,no, no,no, no. Wealthy people PAY taxes, its their money, let them keep it just like I get to keep mine. Its not fair or sensible to say because you have created a greater wealth than I that I get to keep a tax cut and you don't. And don't be fooled - taxes for everyone WILL GO UP if Kerry is elected. Egde GW

(9) Cut the Deficit in Half in Four Years
We will put forward a budget to restore fiscal sanity, eliminate corporate welfare, and cut the deficit in half in four years. However, we will keep our compact to seniors by securing Medicare and Social Security and protecting our children and veterans.

Blah, blah, blah, blah blah. SS has already failed. Medicare is a disaster. This is to get a few extra old people and veteran votes and nothing new. No, don't believe it, its a lie - Big edge to GW, at least he's FOR privatization of SS


(10) End Influence Peddling and Secret Deals
We will reinstate the five-year ban on lobbying so that government officials - like Bush"s former campaign manager and FEMA director - cannot cash in by peddling influence. We will also shine the light on the secret deals in Washington by requiring every meeting with a lobbyist or any special interest deal inserted into a bill by a lobbyist be made public.

LOL, yeah right. Check his website out ..... even because they ALL DO IT


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Old 03-29-2004, 12:14 AM   #3
 
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Thats all fine and dandy Stealthy and I never went on any assumption that anyone should think like me but, I see a trend and this trend is leading to a Bush loss in the next election.

He has pissed off just enough people to secure a loss.

He lost the popular vote last election which isn't really a factor but there were too many states in which he won by such a small number that every vote lost could be a nail in the coffin which is his presidency.

Can ya hear me pounding the nail yet?
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Old 03-29-2004, 12:40 AM   #4
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I will say I am perplexed with the way things have been the last few months. I would think GW's big oil buddies would drive gas prices down to get on everyones good side. I figured his big business buddies would release some really good (bu inflated) numbers to help him out.

Hasn't happened.

I even thought maybe a planted WMD might turn up - but maybe GW's just honest enough a man to not do those things.

I think he's doing the best he can, making decisions that he thinks are best and right and I don't think anyone is pulling is string like 'ole Clinton.

Thats why I am voting for him. Why do I think Kerry cannot win ? He's the most Liberal candidate America has ever seen - he goes against the grain of every conservative and even rubs some Democrats raw. Because of that, he'll lose (I hope)
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Old 03-29-2004, 12:55 AM   #5
 
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bearmaster, this is hard. You are absolutely right in regard to the Libertarians. They truly are the only choice for protecting freedom and reducing gov't control these days. Have you ever taken the quiz?

Have you heard of any liberals going Libertarian or do you think it is primarily conservatives that are moving this way, because of freedom issues such as you bring up.

Stealthy, you should look at the Libertarian party and their platform. I think you would agree with most of it. (Actually I take that back... I just went back and checked your quiz...you came out conservative... and leaning toward authoritative. You would probably agree fiscally, but not on all social issues.

As far as I'm concerned it's a lose - lose scenario. With Bush, conservative on a few issues, but more spending (lots more spending) and gov't programs. Kerry... nothing positive I can say there.

From a constitutional rights point of view, it's downhill any way you look at it. Just downhill a different direction with each, and a little steeper with Kerry.
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Old 03-29-2004, 01:13 AM   #6
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I see that as a vote for Kerry...
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Old 03-29-2004, 01:18 AM   #7
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Either Bush or Kerry will be elected. Thats as sure as the nose on your face. I will do nothing to help Kerry win. I vote BUSH.
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Old 03-29-2004, 01:23 AM   #8
 
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Fro... I understand your way of thinking... but what do we do? Do we just keep voting for the Republicans as they keep selling the US constitution out? Bearmaster and I did that last time... dang... both sides are so far in left field, and I do mean left field...(socialism), that I don't think we can ever get it back.

Have you ever thought that maybe we have to let it go down, (get down right oppressive)in order for the people to want to have freedom more than security?

Let's say Kerry gets in. Don't we have a conservative congress? Maybe the congress would start acting conservative instead of kowtowing to their president, and his liberal programs. After losing, the Republicans might start changing their ways.

What I have seen is this. Ever since his election, Bush has been in the business of seeking re-election, by buying votes through gov't spending. Not unlike our enemy the Dems have been doing for years. And the sad thing is... they hate him anyway! Like a spoiled child who hates their permissive parents that are seeking to be loved. No respect....
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Bearmaster, I thought you said you voted 3rd party in the last election. Did I miss something?
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Bearmaster, I thought you said you voted 3rd party in the last election. Did I miss something?
Seems to me also that he voted for Harry Browne last election, I know I did. May not vote Libertarian this election, looks as if some disgruntled RWingers are trying to hijack the libertarian party. Right CODave?

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