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Old 03-25-2004, 01:58 PM   #1
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NEW YORK -- The NFL discovered last season that fines did not necessarily stop its millionaire players from flamboyant celebrations.

So the league is planning to make any such demonstration an automatic 15-yard penalty.

The new penalty policy has been recommended unanimously by the league's competition committee and is likely to receive approval from the owners when they begin their annual spring meeting Sunday in Palm Beach, Fla.

"Don't call us the no fun league," Atlanta general manager Rich McKay, co-chairman of the league's competition committee, said Wednesday during a conference call.

"This has nothing to do with the Lambeau leap, the spike, the sack dance or throwing the ball over the goal post. But the demonstrations are becoming more sophisticated and more pre-planned than they've ever been. That's why we focused on a penalty instead of just a fine."

As it has been for nearly 20 years, the longest discussions at the meetings will be over instant replay. The committee has recommended that it be installed permanently for the first time -- it has been put in from year-to-year until 2001, when it was extended to three years.

But the most interesting sign of the times is that the NFL now considers penalties more effective than fines in curbing demonstrations. There were 46 fines for demonstrations last season compared to 18 in 2002, indicating to McKay and the committee that fines were not a deterrent.

The new penalties would be added to those for taunting.

After Terrell Owens celebrated a score by pulling a pen from his sock and signing a football in 2002, commissioner Paul Tagliabue made it clear such future demonstrations would be penalized. And the officials did call a penalty last season when Joe Horn made a call on a cell phone after scoring a touchdown.

But the recommendation would add the demonstration penalty to the rule book. McKay said it was prompted in part by letters from the NCAA and national high school associations worried that the conduct of NFL players set bad examples.

As for replay, it was first instituted in 1986, voted out in 1992, then brought back in 1999 in its current form -- with the coaches' challenge system.

The new proposal would make it permanent -- instead of needing 24 of the 32 teams to approve it each year, it would require 24 votes to vote it out. The competition committee also is recommending that any coach who gets two successful challenges in a game get one more.

"We think it's ready to go in permanently," McKay said of replay. "We've been voting on it for 20 years now. This way we won't have to vote on it anymore."

Among the other items to be discussed at the meetings will be expanding the playoffs to 14 teams and allowing both teams to get a possession in overtime.

The committee voted against both -- McKay noted that the number of overtime games decided on the first possession had declined from 36 percent in 2002 to 23 percent in 2004. He also noted that adding two more teams to the playoffs would give the No. 1 team an unfair advantage by getting the only bye.

"We feel like the current system has worked extremely well," McKay said.

The committee also decided not to expand the rule that limits assistant coaches on playoff teams to interview for head coaching jobs during bye weeks. It did recommend, however, that the same rule apply to top executives, who in the past could change jobs at any time.
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Old 03-25-2004, 03:13 PM   #2
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great, now the refs are going to have to make a judgement call on what is an acceptable endzone celebration.
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Old 03-26-2004, 08:54 AM   #3
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The only thing I would add would be to have both the penalty AND a greatly increased fine for this offense. I love watching the NFL, but I really hate the overdone demonstrations that some players feel they need to do. I can't stand the showboating.
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Old 03-26-2004, 11:50 AM   #4
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Why shouldn't they celebrate a touchdown? While they may be greatly over paid they still get excited about scoring 6 points and winning a game.

What do you do for a living? Suppose you just landed a big contract that will pay your company millions over the next couple of years. Wouldn't you celebrate? Probably not huh. You'd just go back to your office and begin working on the next one with out so much as a yeeeehaw.
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I'd celebrate, but not by doing a hip hop raggeddy dance on national tv....that isn't football. Too many players lack humility or common sense any more. You can bet your bottom dollar they never got away with it in high school or college.

If a baseball player did that after crossing home plate you can bet the next time up to bat he will have one in his ear.
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In high school we used to get smacked in the head with a clipboard ( helmet on ) when we even attempted to celebrate anything during a game
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Old 03-26-2004, 12:41 PM   #7
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Why shouldn't they celebrate a touchdown? While they may be greatly over paid they still get excited about scoring 6 points and winning a game.
I agree with bigbulls. When your team scores, you probably jump off the couch and do your own little dance. It's gotta be even more exciting for the guy who did it! I like the little celebrations they do. I think it adds to the excitement, it's entertaining, and it shows some personality of the players.
Also, like Jorgy said, this is just one more thing the refs are gonna have to concern themselves with, and get criticized for.
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what kind of example does that set for the youth watching the game....I've played football from the time I was 10 till I graduated college. Sportmanship is always number one. Can you see going to a HS or pee wee football game where a 9yr old grabs a cheerleaders pom poms or breaks out a crayon and signs the ball for his mom ? Sports are more than wins & losses ....its about comrodary and teamwork. This has become lost in todays game.
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I had a high school coach once that got on me after a little "celebration" after scoring a goal in soccer. He had 2 things to say:
1. Have you never scored before? If not, act like you have, scoring is expected from you.
2. Are you playing alone? Didn't you teammates help you out there, or is it all about you?

2 Lessons I will never forget.

I really love it when a team is getting waxed and some glory hound starts his own celebration after getting a first down, or making a tackle.
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Old 03-26-2004, 01:12 PM   #10
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I like the little celebrations they do. I think it adds to the excitement, it's entertaining, and it shows some personality of the players.
You can't fool us hntngirl, you like to watch them shake their buts............ I mean,........... their personality.


There was once a time in sports when it was about having a good time. Now they can't celebrate a touchdown. Give me a break. Maybe we should just build robots with no personality to play the game in the future.


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If a baseball player did that after crossing home plate you can bet the next time up to bat he will have one in his ear.
Baseball players celebrate all of the time. They just happen to be in the dugout when they do it and you usually don't see it on the tube. How about when the entire team runs out onto the field in a full team celebration after winning a big game? I've seen baseball players do cartwheels on the field.



So why is it that just because it is expected it automaticly means that you can't enjoy a touchdown, or a goal, or a home run. Of course it is expected. Would you feel like working for a boss that never praised you or let you enjoy your accompolishments? I sure wouldn't.
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