There have been hundreds of books written about WWII. A good number of those books are dedicated to the "Intelegence failures" of the time.(Dec. 07, Pearl harbor day)
Ya'll know where I'm going with this...Who knew what,, when they knew it,,what they DID or DID NOT do about it,,yada,yada.yada.
Well...Here we are again...Books being written about Sept.11th, and who to blame...On the one hand, we gotta blame Clinton for his screw-ups, a different author says that we gotta blame Bush for his screw ups.
Well ain't that special...
How about we blame the TERRORISTS for Sept.11th.
Does anyone here remember the political "climate" prior to sept.11? If an FBI or Police agent were to apprehend a suspect on suspicion of terrorism,(yet to be carried out) they would have been sued out the yazzoo for violating civil rights.
I think that fifty years from now, events will be remembered much like we now remember pearl harbor,,,not by who and what agency failed, but by who the attackers were and who the victors were.
On a side note, to those who contest our presents in IRAQ; On December 07 1941, the Germans were not the ones who attacked us, the ***s were. Can you doubt that the world is a better place because of our envolvement in the European theatre?
Its a much better place(europe ) today because of us& our help during ww2
And yer right- it is the terriorists who are to blame for 9/11.
I think b, ckiltoon, a gore, kerry etc would still be apoligizing
for being Americans if they where in office.
1eye, your statement brings me to another whole NEW subject...
Americans have been taught to be appologetic for being the greatest place on the planet.
I will admit, it is only by some cosmic "fluke" that you and I were born "here" instead of a third world country...But born here we were.
As such, we have a great responsability.
We can either uphold that responsability, or squander it away.
Way to say it !
I've been to several other countries , both third world and industrialized , and I've NEVER apologized for being American . On the occasions where I was denounced by a local for being so I would blithely reply "Why are there more of YOUR countymen living in MY country than yours?" That always shut them up ! [8D]
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Dave you're missing the point on these matters. The thing is, What did we do to make them do this? How could we be better parents to the world? It must be something we have done or failed to do and we must seek out our faults and blame someone. Sort of like blaming McDonalds or the tobacco companies. Transfer of responsibilty for wrong doing, the American Way.
What did we, our leader of some 250 plus days do to make these poor people strike out to get our attention?
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Now you have to picture a combination of PeeWEE Herman and Wally Cox but with less muscle tone, trying to be intimidating None of this is funny! Message edited by Cougar Mag -- 1/7/2005 1:16:42 AM >/b]
RIGHT! And the worst part about it is that they're wasting the energy that is needed to CORRECT the situation to bicker about who's fault it WAS. No looking to the future at all.....[:@]
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Dave you're missing the point on these matters. The thing is, What did we do to make them do this? How could we be better parents to the world? It must be something we have done or failed to do and we must seek out our faults and blame someone. Sort of like blaming McDonalds or the tobacco companies. Transfer of responsibilty for wrong doing, the American Way.
What did we, our leader of some 250 plus days do to make these poor people strike out to get our attention?
Who says that we should be their parent , or their cop for that matter ? If the only thing they're pissed off about is Mac Donalds displacing their native falafel stands or us filling their language with slang then they have much deeper problems than us . We only put those before them to choose if they wanted to , nobody forced the Whopper on them they allowed it in .
Foreigners really piss me off when they say that everything we represent is either decadent or evil . Decadent only means luxurious , sorry if we brought some luxury to your drab little tent mister tribal mentality , but you didn't have to accept it with open arms as you unquestionably have . As for evil , well , you have to choose there too , and you did . Don't blame us because your culture that has endured repression for 12,000 years just might like a bit of indulgence for a change .
Change is the operative word here . Not much has changed in the Middle East in 12,000 years or is likely to . If we happen to be the vehicle of that change then somebody better stop putting gas in the tank and turning the key if they want to continue living in the 11th century .
"That which does not change cannot survive" . Nature wrote that law , not me .
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There were numerous inquiries for many years during and after WWII over the botching of intelligence, but the inquiries allowed us to tighten up our intelligence gathering and reporting.
The important thing at the time was that inquiries did not stop us from doing what needed to be done, which was to kick the Axis powers butts! Which we did very well.
9-11 was a result of years and years and administration after administration allowing our intelligence community to become competing forces rather than a single force. All of the intelligence was there to have prevented 9-11, but because no one in the different intelligence agencies were sharing what they had it happened. The inquiries are needed for us to once again put our intelligence community working properly again.
As with what America did after Pearl Harbor, George Bush is doing what needs to be done while we straighten out the intelligence community, we are kicking terrorist butt!!
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I agree 100%! No one "causes" a nutjob to go and blow himself and civilian targets up. The terrorists themselves are responsible for their misguided actions. We do need to focus our intelligence resources very carefully on potential threats, but we can't always see things like this coming.
It's like saying that we should've known that guns on the street would lead to crime, so we should've banned them before anything happened, rather than jailing the actual triggermen.
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