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Old 03-21-2004, 03:55 PM   #1
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I have noticed on the news that they show Kerry and Bush about neck and neck for the number of folks who would vote for them. I say if Kerry's numbers right now aren't alot higher than Bush's then Kerry doesn't stand a snowballs chance in hadies of winning. Why I say that is that with all the primary debating and Bush bashing that has been going on with Bush only just now starting any real defense of hisself then Kerry has had his best shot at Bush.
So far the only position I have seen Kerry come up with is that he will raise taxs back to what they were before Bush's tax cuts and that he is against the war on terrorism.
Those two positions aren't going to be enough to take the white house in my opinion. I do think Bush has some weakness that Kerry could take advantage of such as Bush's policys on dealing with illegal immagration from Mexico especially durring all the news about a "jobless recovery".
I don't know if it will be a landslide but if Kerry doesn't widen his stance and views abit then Bush will most certianly kick his behind in Novermber in my opinion.
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Old 03-21-2004, 05:58 PM   #2
 
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Politics is a big pain in my arse. Which is why I don't like to think about it. But..then again, I'm here, which means that I like to argue about it. Hm...I'll think more on this, later.[8D]

Mr-Pirk, you say that if Kerry doesn't widen his stance he will most certainly lose. This brings forth the idea of winning for winning's sake, and becomes more of a popularity contest of garning as many votes and pretending to represent as many people as possible just long enough to hoodwink them on Election Day. Frankly, it's what upsets me about our government's representatives the most, that they stand for nothing in and of themselves, are no one of personal belief-substance in particular, just Joe Schmoe's trying to get in office or stay in office at whatever price, touting whatever lip-service beliefs they think the voting masses will enjoy, singing them their favorite tune.

Doesn't this make anyone else angry? Or infuse them with a feeling of helplessness/hopelessness as to the hegemonistic nature of our democracy? If all of the politicians who win elections consist of simpletons whose only skill is the acquisition and maintenance of their position in office? And once in office, they continue to assure us that things are being accomplished, things are getting fixed and done rightly, and times goes by and now it's election time again, yippee!

A few years ago I heard this half joke about the "Republicrats", the name given to the 2 top political parties since they were both trying to include the other party's ideas so much, to ensure a victory on Election Day, that they have become the same exact party. Changes on their platforms for this reason disempowers the entire system for me, makes me feel as if they are all just Court Jesters singing and dancing jigs as fast as their little feet can tap out the tunes, as fast as their lilting voices can lilt, all for the high-end government paycheck and nominal place in power.

Rare is the bird who goes out for a position in office, does not support broadly-spanning stances, all inclusive and hip issues, who you actually feel is a person at the end of the day and not a Professional Politician(good for nothing else).... ...I've always wished for a requirement for politicians to be Something Else in their life, but also serving in office. Like any occupation at all, just to convince me and the rest of the voters that the person/politician in question also takes part in the real day to day system the same as the rest of us. Whether they be engineer, McDonalds manager, college professor, administrative assistant, or garbage collector, I would feel so much more confident in the abilities of my politician as a human being if they were also subject to the same rules of survival as I, for when I look at these rich old white bigsticks in office now who have never had to sweat a day in their lives to figure out how to pay their rent, I can feel no common empathy nor connection with them.

They do not represent me, they represent the masses who are letting themselves be fooled in a political game they don't care about anyways because it's too painful to think, and besides Seinfeld is on TV now and there's no extra time for that thinking, except maybe during the commercials, but then that time is also up for strict competition with going to get another beer(which I entirely sympathise with, loving a little alcohol myself).......

Vote for Kerry? Vote for Bush? They're all the same, there are no real options, unless an unpartied individual steps up to the plate, and if this happened they would never even be (allowed to be) seen as they haven't in the past, that's the nature of our election process.
Lovely, isn't it? I'd sooner vote for any of you here, even though I have "known" you for like 5 minutes, rather than any professional politician with a well-known name out there.

rant, rant, rant...jeez I hate politics.

Any in favor, say I...Any opposed?

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Old 03-21-2004, 06:22 PM   #3
 
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I don't pretend to know what can happen in elections. Who would have thought that George Sr. would have lost to Clinton. In today's extreme liberal media climate... its amazing any Republican can win. Here's one big problem. This election is NOT about issues. The Dems and media are trying to make BUSH the issue, period.

The media is so one sided and the masses are so ignorant of the constitution... being liberalised all the way through the public education system. Like sheep led to the slaughter... Baaa! Baaa! Baaa!

It is one heck of an uphill battle to get anyone to consider or believe conservative views.[:@]
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Old 03-21-2004, 07:18 PM   #4
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So far the only position I have seen Kerry come up with is that he will raise taxs back to what they were before Bush's tax cuts and that he is against the war on terrorism.
Those two positions aren't going to be enough to take the white house in my opinion.
The truth of it is those 2 positions will make a Bush win alot easier.
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Old 03-21-2004, 07:23 PM   #5
 
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Mr.-Pirk, I agree wholeheartedly. The war in Iraq has hurt Bush all its going to hurt him. It's had its full effect and Bush is still even with Kerry in the polls. As you mentioned, Bush has only now begun to mount his defense. The only thing that could hurt Bush at this point is if the economy worsened greatly. Meanwhile, there are many things that could benefit Bush greatly: Discovering weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, capturing Osama bin Laden and if the economy continues to recover as the current signs show it doing.

There's no Ross Perot lurking in the wings to hurt Bush 43 as there was with Bush 41.

I believe Dubya is re-elected in a landslide.
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Old 03-21-2004, 08:07 PM   #6
 
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I believe Dubya is re-elected in a landslide.
For our countries sake, I sure hope that you are right!

This is scarry to think, but can you imagine a 911 type attack with Kerry as President? Give that some thought.
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I haven't thought about a 9-11 under Kerry (too afraid to ) but I have thought about 9-11 under Gore. Seeing how Clinton spent 8 years responding to terrorist acts, from the WTC bombing to the USS Cole, and knowing that all of these leading Democrats are basically carbon copies of one another, I believe I know what Kerry would have done . . . He would've launched a few dozen scud missiles at a middle East country, perhaps bombed an aspirin factory or two, and declared victory, while we remained in danger of terrorist attacks as much as ever.

There are many things about Bush that I don't like and I have stated that before, but one thing that he has absolutely done right is go after terrorism. He has had the testicular fortitude that other presidents, including his father, lacked and has said screw what the rest of the world thinks and has taken it to the terrorists. America is a safer place because of that.
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He has had the testicular fortitude that other presidents, including his father, lacked and has said screw what the rest of the world thinks and has taken it to the terrorists. America is a safer place because of that.
Well said Ben. testicluar fortitude, lol. thats a good one. Seriously though, America is definitely a safer place with him as our Commander in Cheif. Yes, he has made a few mistakes. But afterall, he is human, just like the rest of us. Thank God for men like him.
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Old 03-22-2004, 04:45 AM   #9
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Seeds of MOD I remember a interview Clinton did with Diane Sawyer I believe and in the interview he stated the first time he ever lost a election was his run for student body president at Harvard I believe. Clinton stated that after the loss he conducted a poll of students about what position they would like the student body president to have. Clinton said that the next student body presidential elections came around and he changed his poistions to the ones shown by the poll and won and that changed his thinking from then on.
I remember thinking how Clinton had stated so clearly what I dis-liked about him. He has no fortatude. He is "which ever way the wind blows". We vote for congress to vote the way we feel but the president MUST be a man of conviction and Clinton had no convictions.
Ben Garrett I agree that Iraq shouldn't be as strong of an issue as it seems today. Things will take longer to settle out in Iraq than they did in Germany after WW11. Fundamentaly our two cultures are much farther apart between Iraq and the USA than the USA and Europe and Germany was after WW11 but progress is being made.
And I agree with you all. The thoughts of Gore or Kerry in the white house trying to deal with the aftermath of a 9-11 event is a scary thought.
The core democrates will vote for Kerry and the core republicans will vote for Bush but I haven't seen Kerry make a stance on anthing that will win more than a handfull of votes from any swing voters or the un-decided. At least Bush has a stance on education and such in my opinion. Kerry seems to have two songs in his songbook and pf things continue to improve in Iraq Kerry will have one song left. The "I will raise your taxs" song".
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Old 03-22-2004, 05:11 AM   #10
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I have a very strong feeling that Bush will win because Kerry is constantly flip flopping on issues, heck even the press is bashing Kerry on this. People prefer to know where a candidate stands, and we all know where Bush stands, there are a lot of griefs I have with some of his politics, but I know he smacked the dickens out of terrorism and will continue to do so! Kerry will be a do nothing about terrorism
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