Evolution theory and faith

[John Bear]

Nice start

I read some research that only 28 % of Americans believe in evolution theory Does that sound right (not the theory tha ammount). Same research, 20 % of Americans take bible literary.

What is so wrong about evolution theory and science behind it? And refering on some resent discussions why science and faith can't be two different things does they rule each other out??

[1eyedfish]

does they rule each other out??

Not for me Jb. The world dosnt change because it is not talked about in a book, a book is always limited in size ,- even the bible.Its main message is suppose to be the salvation of man, not mans evolution & his natural world around him>?

I think some fear if it seems to contradicts itself,lacks details& explainations etc- some will lose faith in all of it.

Iwould not thow away my car because of a small blemish in its paint.

[eldeguello]

I seriously question a lot about the theories of evolution, BUT I am NOT convinced there's any real conflict between science and religion. The more closely scientists examine things, the more biblical teachings seem to be correct, rather than vice-versa, as long as you don't think the six days creation took in the bible are six days as WE KNOW THEM! A thousand years is but the blink of an eye to GOD!

[Vee_9]

I am NOT convinced there's any real conflict between science and religion.

I took a philosophy class last year, and, though it was only an introductory course, we discussed a LOT of religion and evolution theories.
"[...] I conceive God to be actually infinite in such a high degree that nothing could be added to the supreme perfection that he aready posesses. And finally, I understand very well that the objective existence of an idea can never be produced by a being that is merely potential and that, properly speaking, is nothing, but only by a formal or actual being" (Descartes)

Descartes says here, that the idea of infinite perfection is something that humans wouldn't have been able to think of themselves. We aren't able to reach that kind of understanding,t herefore we couldn't have concocted the IDEA of a God. Everything we studied, basically came back to this idea. Humans aren't able to conceive of such a perfect being.

We discussed the "I am, I exist" meditation, and countless other arguments, but almost every philosopher in history has gone in a complete circle, and rather than proving the lack of existence of God, they convince themselves through analyzation, that He DOES exist.

But as far as analyzing this topic for ourselves, I say don't waste your time. I haven't seen one thing that hasn't wrapped back around to the idea that there is a god, either philosophically, or scientifically. I'm also an American, and skeptical. I'm not religious, but I'm not Athiest either. But when it comes to what we know thus far, science and religion coinside. They don't clash with one another.

All science goes back to the idea of a God. Jean-Paul Sartre says in Nausea that you "must not think too much about the value of History. You run the risk of being disgusted with it". I think that idea is analagous to this topic as well.

[John Bear]

In science there is always theory at first. then comes research, research and more research to back up the theory or not. When theory gets enough evidense it could be called most likely. and then it could be called true as long as someone can prove that it is wrong.

I think that what science can't prove then becomes religion. Like what happens to the soul after body is dead. And eaven that they have scientific theories but they are theories as long as they can prove them.

[burniegoeasily]

I am religious. I am into science. I have yet to see any were the Bible or Science conflict each other. Actually I see where science proves the Bible. I feel a deeper understanding of Science has to be obtained before the two fit. In America, on the most part, people do not have a full understanding of most scientific principles. The Bible is easy to understand, so the two very seldom get put together. My father is a preacher, I have degrees in science. We work together in understanding the Big Picture.

[John Bear]

To burn...:

So do you belive or should I say think that evolution theory is correct

[DaveH]

I think that science proves the Bible. There is a wealth of scientific evidence supporting creation and evolution is full of holes and is even in direct conflict with some LAWS of science.

[John Bear]

So first day god create see and land and ... bing .... bang .... boom sewenth day he rested and all that is here now was then. That is you religion(as I recall 20 years ago in sunday school). That is newer been proved it just is on the bible.

And science. Science can explain many things but there is not eaven reasonable explanation on ball-lightning. Some time ago earth was flat and now we know that it is (allmost) like a ball. Science in develobing and proving and proving things.

One problem in the bible is that text in the bible was written, translated, collected so many times and different sources that the bible we read to day is evolvet from the bible that was written ages ago.

I think that faith is what science can't prove. Bible is just nice story about how how we shloud live and if we don't what happens and everything like that.

[CODave]

John Bear in a way you are right. Some aspects of faith are believing what we can't prove scientifically.

But faith is not blind. God asks for Faith... when we display our faith through trust and obedience.. then many times he then will show us what the Bible says is Truth.

And ultimately someday we will find out for sure.