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Old 03-07-2004, 08:39 AM   #1
 
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has any one seen this dumb movie I havnt yet and the only reason I am goning to rent it is because I want to see micheal moore's dumbass excusses for gun contol and all that. I really dislike that looser and i hope he nevermind
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I agree ..... - but its always good to know your enemys & what there up too.

I havent seen it yet... when it gets on the 50 cent shelf i will.
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I have seen it; not one good argument against guns in the whole movie. Man, he had a chance to take a big swing at gun owners and the fat slob of a human couldn't come up with a good argument. On the other side, Charleton Heston did not interview very well with him in the movie. I was disappointed about that.
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I was forced to watch this movie in my philosophy class last semester. When michael moore started attacking charlton heston, I walked out of class. I was nothing short of livid. This movie is horrendous. There are so many things he did in this movie that infuriated me, I can't even get STARTED, it will ruin my whole day!!!

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On the other side, Charleton Heston did not interview very well with him in the movie. I was disappointed about that.
Hi BigBore1895,

I haven't seen the movie. I have read reviews of those that I trust in their veracity. And the "interviews" with Heston....were actually edited clips of interviews. Edited to reflect out of context comments! And to show him in "the worst light".

I have so little regard for Moore or his work.....I refuse to support him in any manner..........including a rental fee!

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has any one seen this dumb movie I havnt yet and the only reason I am goning to rent it is because I want to see micheal moore's dumbass excusses for gun contol and all that. I really dislike that looser and i hope he nevermind
I to have a morbid curiosity about this movie. I just cant seem to find the time to watch it. Or I should say, find the time I care to waste watching it.
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And the "interviews" with Heston....were actually edited clips of interviews. Edited to reflect out of context comments! And to show him in "the worst light".
God, I had no idea that is what they did. Just shows you how far that side will go, and their complete lack of anything resembling honesty or values. Unreal. Thanks for the heads up akbound.
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his interview isn't out of context/order at all. It was the nra meetings with Heston speaking that is out of order
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his interview isn't out of context/order at all. It was the nra meetings with Heston speaking that is out of order
Hi Jorgy,

Normally I hate cut and splice....but in this case it is much quicker and to the point!

Heston's Denver speech as edited by Moore

Weeping children outside Columbine, explaining how near they had come to death and how their friends had just been murdered before their eyes;

Cut to Charleton Heston holding a musket over his head and happily proclaiming "I have only five words for you: 'from my cold, dead, hands'" to a cheering NRA crowd.

Cut to billboard advertising the meeting, while Moore in voiceover intones: "Just ten days after the Columbine killings, despite the pleas of a community in mourning, Charleton Heston came to Denver and held a large pro-gun rally for the National Rifle Association." [But for this break, the viewer would spot that two different speeches are being merged, since Heston has lavender shirt and tie in the above speech, and white shirt and red tie in the one below.]

Heston (supposedly) continues speech...

"Good Morning. Thank you all for coming, and thank you for supporting your organization. I also want to applaud your courage in coming here today." [Footage of protest outside] "I have a message from the Mayor, Mr. Wellington Webb, the Mayor of Denver. [picture of Webb, then back to Heston] He sent me this, and said 'don't come here. We don't want you here.' I said to the Mayor this is our country, as Americans we're free to travel wherever we want in our broad land. [cut to crowd cheering, then back to Heston] Don't come here? We're already here."

Heston's speech as actually given [link is to www.freedaily.com/articles/990504n1.html]

In the transcript below, the portions used by Moore are italicized. Note how they come from entirely different parts of the speech. Moore takes video and audio of seven sentences and assembles them into a speech which was never given. He covers the audio edits by breaking to images of the crowd and of protestors. This is not slipshod; this is the creation of a lie.

["Cold dead hands" is nowhere in speech. It is actually from a speech given by Heston in Charlotte, N.C., a year later. By swapping in the billboard and his narration, Moore covers the splice.]

Thank you. Thank you very much. Good morning. I am very happy to welcome you to this abbreviated annual gathering of the National Rifle Association. Thank you all for coming and thank you for supporting your organization.

I also want to applaud your courage in coming here today. Or course, you have a right to be here. As you know, we've cancelled the festivities, the fellowship we normally enjoy at our annual gatherings. This decision has perplexed a few and inconvenienced thousands. As your president, I apologize for that.

But it's fitting and proper that we should do this. Because NRA members are, above all, Americans. That means that whatever our differences, we are respectful of one another and we stand united, especially in adversity.

I have a message from the mayor, Mr. Wellington Webb, the mayor of Denver. He sent me this and said don't come here, we don't want you here. I said to the mayor, well, my reply to the mayor is, I volunteered for the war they wanted me to attend when I was 18 years old. Since then, I've run small errands for my country, from Nigeria to Vietnam. I know many of you here in this room could say the same thing. But the mayor said don't come.

I'm sorry for that. I'm sorry for the newspaper ads saying the same thing, don't come here. This is our country. As Americans, we're free to travel wherever we want in our broad land.

They say we'll create a media distraction, but we were preceded here by hundreds of intrusive news crews. They say we'll create political distraction, but it's not been the NRA pressing for political advantage, calling press conferences to propose vast packages of new legislation.

Still they say don't come here. I guess what saddens me the most is how that suggests complicity. It implies that you and I and 80 million honest gun owners are somehow to blame, that we don't care. We don't care as much as they do, or that we don't deserve to be as shocked and horrified as every other soul in America mourning for the people of Littleton.

Don't come here. That's offensive. It's also absurd because we live here. There are thousands of NRA members in Denver, and tens upon tens of thousands in the state of Colorado.

NRA members labor in Denver's factories, they populate Denver's faculties, run Denver corporations, play on Colorado sports teams, work in media across the Front Range, parent and teach and coach Denver's children, attend Denver's churches and proudly represent Denver in uniform on the world's oceans and in the skies over Kosovo at this very moment.

NRA members are in city hall, Fort Carson, NORAD, the Air Force Academy and the Olympic Training Center. And yes, NRA members are surely among the police and fire and SWAT team heroes who risked their lives to rescue the students at Columbine.

Don't come here? We're already here. This community is our home. Every community in America is our home. We are a 128-year-old fixture of mainstream America. The Second Amendment ethic of lawful, responsible firearm ownership spans the broadest cross section of American life imaginable.

So, we have the same right as all other citizens to be here. To help shoulder the grief and share our sorrow and to offer our respectful, reassured voice to the national discourse that has erupted around this tragedy.

One more thing. Our words and our behavior will be scrutinized more than ever this morning. Those who are hostile towards us will lie in wait to seize on a soundbite out of context, ever searching for an embarrassing moment to ridicule us. So, let us be mindful. The eyes of the nation are upon us today.

For anyone desiring a more complete "review" of Moore's farce....go to:

http://www.hardylaw.net/Truth_About_Bowling.html

This is only one of the sites that give a fairly complete rebuttal (with documentation and facts) to Moore's POS!

Dave

P.S. Jorgy.....I'm not entirely sure of the intent of your post...but these are a few of the facts.....if that helps! Actually.....there is much, much, more wrong, incorrect, and outright fabrication with Moores' work. But this is a portion of it!

I'd say that was editted with the intent to make it appear that Heston said something other than he actually did!
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Old 03-10-2004, 02:35 PM   #10
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Yeah, that is what I was talking about.

From what is posted above I would take it as the one on one interview with heston near the end of the "movie" that wasn't re-aranged to make him look bad, he did that one all by himself
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