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Old 03-01-2004, 04:58 AM   #1
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Do you think you ever drive a car that uses hydrogen as a fuel ? Or what comes after oil ?
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Old 03-01-2004, 05:20 AM   #2
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since the supply of oil is unlikely to run out before I die then I would find it unlikely . I would rather drive such a vehicle than one which uses gasoline , but the petro industry has other ideas . [:@]

I am considering the purchase of a hybrid electric vehicle however , I just need to convince the wife that it is the smart thing to do .
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Old 03-01-2004, 06:33 AM   #3
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I would have no problem driving one. But it is not likely to happen soon. It takes so much energy (fossil fuels) to produce hydrogen, the whole proposition is ridiculous.
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Old 03-01-2004, 03:56 PM   #4
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The point is to produce hydrogen by solar, water, wind ect. For example Island has too much electric power to their own needs. They have tought the cabel to England, too expencive. Hydrogen is cheaper way to transfer that energy.

And petro industry. Shell is one of the leading developers on that next generation fuelsystem.

Can you imagine the pick up with electric motor or Ferrari(or harley) with out the sound.
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It is a novel idea, but I think that I'd have some serious reservations about driving around while sitting on top of a 30 gallon tank of liquid hydrogen gas. Let's just say that if that tank were ruptured in an accident or developed a leak, and there was any source of ignition (like sparks created by the frictional heating of metal on metal contact during collision, or even a static discharge. H2 gas is VERY volatile...doesn't take much to set it off, and pretty explosive), it'd definately brighten up your day! [:@]

Hydrogen gas also requires a good bit of energy to electrolitically separate it from water, and storage, containment and delivery are issues that are complicated by the fact that it is a volatile high pressure, refridgerated gas (did I mention how volatile it is?).

I think that a safer and more likely solution will be found in fuel cell technology using room temperature liquid fuels (they've started developing one that runs on diesel fuel/kerosene). But it has a number of years before the tech is developed to the point that it's practical, affordable (fuel cells cost major $), and cost effective.

And why the heck would anybody want a Harley without the sound?! That's part of the point. Besides, loud pipes save lives!

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Old 03-02-2004, 12:11 AM   #6
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Sorry I forgot this --> <-- on that harley comment.

Few weeks ago truck, loaded with hydrogen tanks, had accident ant start burning. Because hydrogen was absorbed in some other stuf that releases it slowly, it didn't blow up it just burn day or two. Firemans didn't want to get enough close to put it down(wise I think)

In Island there is one commersial hydrogen station operating.

I don't think that price is a problem. In the early '80 car phones costs 4-5000 € and 15 years later 4-500 €. So when somebody have that lightning once in the lifetime business idea( that we all are looking for) development is going to be fast.

I drove electric car in the early '90. It was fun altough it toke 2 day to drive 150 km. I had to stop a night to reload. Top speed was 80 km/h.
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Tell me more about "Island" and its energy producing capabilities. California has hundreds of acres of windmill farms, but they produce less than 1% of the states electricity. I was watching a TV show about one of the most advanced solar energy farms in the world, and it produced less than 50% of a medium sized city's energy.
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Old 03-02-2004, 06:33 AM   #8
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Sorry. Iceland.

They have hydropower, geothermal power more than they need.

Don't know the statistics but if country that north can export tomatos and thinking of cabel to England they must have enough power to produce hydrogen at reasonable price.
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Ah, yes, but...

Iceland has a population of a mere 280,798 people according to the CIA Factbook (http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/...k/geos/ic.html). That's not even 1/1,000 of the current U.S. population, so it shouldn't be to tough to supply more than enough power for an economy of that scale. Heck, if I'm not mistaken, more people show up for the Daytona 500 than live in Iceland (not that they all get in, mind you, but the tailgating is supposed to be awesome!). Just because something works in one economy doesn't necessarily mean it'll work in a different one.

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Old 03-02-2004, 01:06 PM   #10
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If it don't work US scale today in the future it does. And I'm just clad if we figured out those main questios that are still unsolved.

Like it or not in the future Harley doesn't soud as good as it does today, 2-stroke engine doesn't not smell as powerful as it does today, ect.

Eaven if oil doesn't ran out in next 50 years it won't be used as much as today. In 30-50 years hydrogen made by the solar, fusio, fissio, ect powers, is going to be main fuel in our cars.
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