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Old 02-25-2004, 03:14 PM   #1
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I received the following e-mail that I think you will find interesting.


A VERY interesting article by my brother, Mike, who won a bronze star in Vietnam. I hope this one becomes public.



Bigger things. I've long thought that John Kerry's war record was phoney. We talked about it when you were here. It's mainly been instinct because, as you know, nobody who claims to have seen the action he does would so shamelessly flaunt it for political gain. So I spent a couple of hours on the internet yesterday, made a bunch of notes, and I'm sending them as an attachment. In addition, look at the website http://25thaviation.org/johnkerry/id15htm. Somebody went to a lot of trouble to chronicle Kerry's checkered career.

I was in the Delta shortly after he left. I know that area well. I know the operations he was involved in well. I know the tactics and the doctrine used. I know the equipment. Although I was attached to CTF-116 (PBRs) I spent a fair amount of time with CTF-115 (swift boats), Kerry's command.

Here are my problems and suspicions:

(1) Kerry was in-country less than four months and collected, a Bronze Star, a Silver Star and three purple hearts. I never heard of anybody with any outfit I worked with (including SEAL One, the Sea Wolves, Riverines and the River Patrol Force) collecting that much hardware so fast, and for such pedestrian actions. The Swifts did a commendable job. But that duty wasn't the worst you could draw. They operated only along the coast and in the major rivers (Bassac and Mekong). The rough stuff in the hot areas was mainly handled by the smaller, faster PBRs.

(2) Three Purple Hearts but no limp. All injuries so minor that no time lost from duty. Amazing luck. Or he was putting himself in for medals every time he bumped his head on the wheel house hatch? Combat on the boats was almost always at close range. You didn't have minor wounds. At least not often. Not three times in a row. Then he used the three purple hearts to request a trip home eight months before the end of his tour. Fishy.

(3) The details of the event for which he was given the Silver Star make no sense at all. Supposedly, a B-40 was fired at the boat and missed. Charlie jumps up with the launcher in his hand, the bow gunner knocks him down with the twin 50, Kerry beaches the boat, jumps off, shoots Charlie, and retreives the launcher. If true, he did everything wrong.
(a) Standard procedure when you took rocket fire was to put your stern to the action and go balls to the wall. A B-40 has the ballistic integrity of a frisbie after about 25 yards, so you put 50 yards or so between you and the beach and begin raking it with your .50's.
(b) Did you ever see anybody get knocked down with a .50 caliber round and get up? The guy was dead or dying. The rocket launcher was empty. There was no reason to go after him (except if you knew he was no danger to you just flopping around in the dust during his last few seconds on earth, and you wanted some derring do in your after-action report). And we didn't shoot wounded people. We had rules against that, too.
(c) Kerry got off the boat. This was a major breach of standing procedures. Nobody on a boat crew ever got off a boat in a hot area. EVER! The reason was simple. If you had somebody on the beach your boat was defenseless. It coudn't run and it couldn' t return fire. It was stupid and it put his crew in danger. He should have been relieved and reprimanded. I never heard of any boat crewman ever leaving a boat during or after a firefight.

Something is fishy.

Here we have a JFK wannabe (the guy Halsey wanted to court martial for carelessly losing his boat and getting a couple people killed by running across the bow of a *** destroyer) who is hardly in Vietnam long enough to get good tan, collects medals faster than Audie Murphy in a job where lots of medals weren't common, gets sent home eight months early, requests separation from active duty a few months after that so he can run for Congress, finds out war heros don't sell well in Massachsetts in 1970 so reinvents himself as Jane Fonda, throws his ribbons in the dirt with the cameras running to jump start his political career, gets Stillborn Pell to invite him to address Congress and Bobby Kennedy's speechwriter to do the heavy lifting, winds up in the Senate himself a few years later, votes against every major defense bill, says the CIA is irrelevant after the Wall came down, votes against the Gulf War, a big mistake since tha! t turned out well, decides not to make the same mistake twice so votes for invading Iraq, but oops, that didn't turn out so well so he now says he really didn't mean for Bush to go to war when he voted to allow him to go to war.

I'm real glad you or I never had this guy covering out flanks in Vietnam. I sure don't want him as Commander in Chief. I hope that somebody from CTF-115 shows up with some facts challenging Kerry's Vietnam record. I know in my gut it's wildy inflated. And fishy.

Keep smiling,

Mike
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Old 02-25-2004, 04:14 PM   #2
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Wow...that is very interesting.

On a side note, I just finished a book called Chickenhawk about a true hero, and as soon as I was done, I thought for a second about how this guy doesn't openly flaunt it like Kerry is doing.

Very interesting...
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Very Interesting Indeed.... This guy is a total fraud, in everything from his War record to his voting record he's not stood firm on anything. He lacks testicular fortitude
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Old 02-25-2004, 08:04 PM   #5
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Funny how S***bag officers like Kerry can break the rules and do something stupid that places himself and his crew in unnecessary danger, and wins a Silver Star for his efforts, when enlisted guys who do something that really saves lives might get a pat on the back.

My dad and one of his buddies likely saved their entire ship from being blown in half during combat action off the coast of Vietnam, and they only got Meritorious Masts for darn near getting themselves killed when the other crewman fled the magazine and dogged the hatch behind them. My dad and three other guys were arming 5" HE shells for a shore bombardment and had several of these shells, already fused, stacked on the deck in the magazine ready to be sent up to the turret when the ship made a hard turn to starboard. This caused the shells to begin to roll freely on the deck. Two of the guys turned and hightailed it out of the magazine. My dad and one other guy stayed and used their bodies to prevent the fuses from hitting a bulkhead or another shell. If they had there is a good chance the shell would have detonated, taking all the other shells in the magazine with it. This would have created an explosion so large that it would have probably lifted the ship right out of the water, broke the keel, and blown it into two pieces. It would have been unlikely that even half the crew would have survived (and certainly not my dad).

And guess what? While my dad is certainly prowd of his actions, he never brags about them or bitches that he didn't get a medal. He just considers what he did just doing his job.

Kerry is, and always had been, a narcissistic glory hound that will do whatever it takes at any perticular moment to make himself look good. He's a scumbag, and a fake, that should have been courts-martialed and not commended for his actions. I hope that Americans take off their blinders and see him for what he really is before November.

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"Very Interesting Indeed.... This guy is a total fraud, in everything from his War record to his voting record he's not stood firm on anything. He lacks testicular fortitude"

Very well said! My sentiments exactly! This idiot, dummycrap can't keep this stuff hidden all the way to November!
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