Morals? 6th grader gets suspended for taking SI Swimsuit edition to school

badshotbob · 02-24-2004, 07:50 AM

Heard this on the news this morning - can't remember what state this was in though.

6th grader took the Sports Illustrated Swimsuit edition to school where the teacher deemed it to be not condusive to learning, and the boy was suspended for 3 days.

Here's the question in my mind: Are these mags sold to kids under 18? If so, why? Should these be in the hands of a 6th grader? Say dad subscribes to SI, leaves the swimsuit edition on the coffee table, and 6th grader Jr. picks it up and off he goes to school with it - does dad have any accountability for the 6th graders actions? Is that not being a responsible parent? As we all know, this issue borders nudity as close as it comes - beyone Janet even.

But, if kids are going to be exposed to sexual things and partial nudity everywhere they turn, then what is wrong with this?

What do you think?

Tazman · 02-24-2004, 08:00 AM

SI's swimsuit issue has gone way beyond what it used to be, it should be put on the same racks as Playboy and the like. I sure wouldn't have one in my house. Of course I am the only male in the household, but I wouldn't want to leave my girls with the impression that Dad gets off on nearly nude women in magizines either.

SI's swimsuit edition has no more business in a school then Playboy in my book.

messageman · 02-24-2004, 08:01 AM

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Say dad subscribes to SI, leaves the swimsuit edition on the coffee table, and 6th grader Jr. picks it up and off he goes to school with it

If "dad" subscribes to such a magazine, "dad" is an adulterer, and until his heart condition is made right, if it's to be, junior will be turned over to the wolves of the world until which time his destiny either saves him, or makes him one of them.

kevin1 · 02-24-2004, 08:19 AM

MM ,
I think Badshot was probably referring to the legal implications .

Badshot ,
of course the Dad shares moral responsibility as well , on 2 counts .
1) He shouldn't have left it down for Junior to pick up .
2) Junior obviously wasn't trained to leave someone else's property alone .
Both are failures on the part of the parent .

I have several guns in my case in plain view , and my grandkids know exactly where I keep the keys and don't dare touch them . Even if they did they don't know how to load them yet , but the guns stay locked up . This situation can exist because I trained them to respect both my property and weapons safety .

I don't subscribe to SI , but I see nothing offensive about the swimsuit issue . Nudity itself is not offensive , but the prurient interest in it is unhealthy .

Jorgy · 02-24-2004, 08:22 AM

MM - subscribing to SI makes you a sports fan, not an adulterer

While you have to be 18 to 21 to but a bobbie mag like playboy, SI does't fall under these terms and can be purchased by any kid. There are some stores that restrict sales to minors, but I'm pretty sure it's only store policy for some. I personally don't think any kid needs to be looking at a SI swimsuit eddition.

But back to the school thing. The school did one thing right, and one thing wrong. I think they did the right thing by saying that the magazine shouldn't be in school, but they did the wrong thing by saying that they didn't want it here because it wasn't "condusive to learning" If your going to make a stand, then call a spade a spade and say you think it's pornography.

badshotbob · 02-24-2004, 08:27 AM

I don't think subscribing to a magazine about sports makes you an adulterer. Lusting over the babes on the beach, well that's a different deal.

I think the dad should have some sort of accountability, IF he had any part of the kid having the mag in the first place - but what? Don't really know. Who knows, maybe the mom bought the kid SI not knowing.

When I was in 3rd grade, I stole a pack of my dad's smokes and took them to school with the intent of smoking them on the playground. Who's fault was that? I was not raised in an unethical, immoral home by any stretch (although it wasn't until later that my dad got saved and gave up the smokes). Can't blame my dad can I? Like kevin says - teach the kid to respect others' property. BUT, don't leave things out there to test them.

messageman · 02-24-2004, 08:27 AM

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I think Badshot was probably referring to the legal implications .

and I contend that an immoral man cannot be expected to uphold legality.
It's like saying you can step in dog crap, without it stinking.

badshotbob · 02-24-2004, 08:43 AM

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ORIGINAL: messageman

and I contend that an immoral man cannot be expected to uphold legality.

hmmm...

Aren't we all immoral, since we are human and cannot be without sin? Is sin being immoral?

messageman · 02-24-2004, 08:51 AM

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MM - subscribing to SI makes you a sports fan, not an adulterer

Jorgy, if a married man looks at a women other than his wife with lust, then according to the Scriptures I follow, he is an adulterer. Not my words, just those of the Lord I follow...Matthew 5 :28

Now, for my personal opinion. I believe men who purchase those types of magazines are unhappy with their wives physical appearances, and use those magazines to fantasize about sexual relations they wish they could have.

I believe that such men also suffer from low self-esteem, and sexual dysfunction, and never truely analyze themselves as to why they feel the need to take part in pornography. Also such men in my opinion are self centered, and incapable of the true love a man should feel for his wife.

The tragedy in all of this is not so much what this type of pervertion does to him, but rather what it does to his wife and family. The woman who lives with a man who induldges in pornography also developes low self esteem as she anguishes over her appearance, and the thoughts that her husband must seek sexual gratification {and thats what it is} elsewhere.

Often she does harm to her own body through crash diets, liposuction, surgery, and procedures, in order to make herself more like the objects of her husbands pervertions. Daughters are given a poor example of manhood by such fathers, and sons all too sadly follow the same path as their fathers.

Pornography is Satans counterfiet of the sexual beauty that a man and woman should share in an intimate fashion. The highest form of love, and oneness has been cheapened, and sold for a buck all across America.

So those of you who purchase such magazines. Go ahead and fool yourself into thinking that it's perfectly normal for a man to want to view such things. When you have convinced yourself of that, ask yourself why you also feel the need to view such things in private, rather than in the company of your wives, mothers, daughters, and sisters.

stealthycat · 02-24-2004, 08:53 AM

To my knowledge anyone can go into the local supermarket and buy Maxim, FHM or SI swim suit addition right along with their favorite hunting magazines. No crime.

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SI's swimsuit edition has no more business in a school then Playboy in my book

Really ? What about the Star or the Enquirer ? What about National Geographic or a Victoria Secrets magainze ?

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If "dad" subscribes to such a magazine, "dad" is an adulterer, and until his heart condition is made right, if it's to be, junior will be turned over to the wolves of the world until which time his destiny either saves him, or makes him one of them.

blah, blah, blah, judge, judge judge.