I found this on another web site and thought it was pretty interesting. Summed up it's a case were a man was arrested for not showing id when ask by the police. Case is going to supreme court. Interesting read, the video at the end is kind of crappy, I think it's easier just to read the transcripts
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I will be honest and say I that in my opinion the cops were wrong on all counts, but then again where do we draw the line and not become hypocritical.
Where I am going with this is the majority of us want the illegal aliens sent back home, well if the police and INS can not ask for identification then how do we/police/INS tell who is who and who is legal and who is not?
When crossing the border should we stop checking ID's?
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In Kansas you are required to identify yourself when ask.
If a law officer ask for I.D. as in drivers license or state I.D. card you need to produce one.
I fully agree with this policy.
There are too many people around here that make it a point not to carry I.D. and then when they are caught doing something suspicious they give wrong names etc.
I can't think of a case that it would be intruding on my privacy to ask for my I.D.
The questions after the I.D. might be another story.[:'(]
Good point Taz - that may actually fall to a separate level we have been talking about here - racism. Ha? Well, if this guy wins, there will be a case that could make it sticky for a cop to ask for ID without a good enough excuse. Which would then include the illegals you point out. But if we were to find a way around this in order to ask the illegals, that would be profiling wouldn't it? Back to the PC crap that is running this country, we would rather let the illegals in than offend them.
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In Kansas you are required to identify yourself when ask.
If a law officer ask for I.D. as in drivers license or state I.D. card you need to produce one.
I fully agree with this policy.
Really, your telling me it's illegal not to have identifcation on you?
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The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
Wouldn't that law in Kansas violate the fourth amendment.
There was another case I posted that was allmost exactly like this. The women was stopped and refused to show ID and was arrested. She was acquitted. Here it is.
Abby Newman
In September, 2000, for no reason at all Abby Newman was stopped at a check point in the state of Virginia. The state trooper who had pulled her over admitted at the scene that he had no probable cause.
The trooper needed Abby's name but Abby didn't have to submit to his request unless she had broken the law. Hence, the stop was unconstitutional. Abby even asked the trooper if she had broken any laws and he said, "No."
Video footage showed two Law Enforcement Officers arresting Abby for NO reason. One trooper violated her constitutional rights by opening her car door and pulling her out. He arrested her for assault and obstructing justice. The only assault seen was the trooper assaulting Abby's constitutional rights.
Abby told the troopers the check point was unconstitutional, but they wouldn't listen. Everything Abby told the troopers went in one ear and out the other.
As the troopers illegally searched her car they had a short conversation. One trooper said, "She's invoked her right to remain silent, even though she don't believe in our laws." As you read the amendments below you will understand that it was the trooper who didn't know our laws!
One of the books the officers thought was suspicious was a pocket copy of the constitution.
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One of the books the officers thought was suspicious was a pocket copy of the constitution
Geez
I'm kind of a hypocrite on this one since I do believe in our constitional rights, but I also don't have a problem with cops setting up there roadside check points to catch drunk drivers and people without insurance. I have been stopped 3 times over the years for these and have never freaked out or anything, but yet I do know that it isn't right.
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Arrested for not showing id case
