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Old 02-12-2004, 03:23 PM   #1
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San Francisco Officials Marry Gay Couple
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By LISA LEFF, Associated Press Writer

SAN FRANCISCO - In a bold political and legal challenge to California law, city authorities officiated at the marriage of a lesbian couple Thursday and said they will issue more gay marriage licenses.

Meanwhile in Massachusetts, legislative leaders met Thursday to try to find words that would ban gay marriage but legalize civil unions, expressing optimism as they reconvened their constitutional convention.

The act of civil disobedience in San Francisco was coordinated by Mayor Gavin Newsom and top city officials and was intended to beat a conservative group to the punch.


The group, Campaign for California Families, had planned to go to court on Friday to get an injunction preventing the city from issuing marriage licenses to gay couples.


Longtime lesbian activists Phyllis Lyon, 79, and Del Martin, 83, were hurriedly issued a license and were married just before noon by City Assessor Mabel Teng in a closed-door civil ceremony at City Hall, mayor's spokesman Peter Ragone said. The two have been a couple for 51 years.


Ragone said that beginning at noon, officials would begin issuing marriage licenses to any gay couples applying for one. One lesbian couple had already lined up outside City Hall, one of the women wearing a white wedding dress.


Lyon and Martin said after the brief ceremony that they were going home to rest and did not plan anything to celebrate. The couple seemed proud of what they had done.


"Why shouldn't we" be able to marry? Lyon asked.


Thursday's marriage runs counter to a ballot measure California voters approved in 2000 that defines marriage as a union between a man and a woman.


No state legally sanctions gay marriage, though Massachusetts could become the first this spring. The Massachusetts high court has ruled that gays are entitled under the state constitution to marry.


State lawmakers later passed a domestic partner law that, when it goes into effect in 2005, will offer the most generous protections to gays outside Vermont.


Mayor Newsom was not present for the wedding Thursday. The two official witnesses were Kate Kendell, director of the National Center for Lesbian Rights and former city official Roberta Achtenberg.


The Campaign for California Families did not immediately respond to a request for comment.


In Massachusetts, leaders said they hoped to finally reach an agreement after two other versions of a proposed constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriage were narrowly defeated during the much-anticipated convention's opening day Wednesday.


"Things break down in this building by the minute, but it's going to be interesting," said Senate Minority Leader Brian Lees, a Republican. "I'm cautiously optimistic."


Massachusetts was thrust into the epicenter of the contentious social political, religious and legal debate over gay marriages in November when the state's Supreme Judicial Court ruled 4-3 that it was unconstitutional to ban gay couples from marrying, a decision that was reaffirmed last week.


"We're talking about a wide, wide variety of options and potential amendments," said House Speaker Thomas Finneran, an ardent opponent of gay marriage. "Nobody's in a position, really, to insist on anything other than good faith efforts on all sides. We're open to all sorts of ideas."





Any constitutional amendment would have to get 101 votes in the constitutional convention "” which is a joint session of the state House and Senate. It would have to get 101 votes again in the 2005-06 legislative session, and would then need the approval of voters in November 2006.
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Old 02-12-2004, 03:24 PM   #2
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Robert and Steve.... you may now teabag the "bride"....


ewwwwwwwww gawd i'm going to hurl.
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Old 02-12-2004, 10:14 PM   #3
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I saw in the news tonight that the freaks are pushing hard in wisconsin now too. The news program had a pair of dykes on complaining that one of their daughters will have no health insurance because her mother does not work, and the other woman's insurance won't cover them.

Translation: legalize fag marriages for the children.[:'(]

Me outlook- the woman should have thought about how she would responsibly raise a child before:
1. she decided to have the child
2. she decided to live a carpet munching lifestyle.
3. she decided to not have a job.


Democrat representatives are already lining up to sponsor bills to allow for fag marriages in wisconsin. It amazes me how they will look afterthe interestsof what might be 2-3% of the population on this issue, but would not represent the majority of people who wanted CCW in our state.

There is no good reason for Democrats in our state to not have their heads hung on poles outside of the Capitol buiding.[:@]
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Old 02-12-2004, 10:19 PM   #4
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You guys better get Wisconsin straightened out before I make my move back. You still have a few months, get cracking!
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That's ok fng. I'm not very fond of SF anyway. It would just create more beachfront property.
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Hey! What's wrong with carpet munchers? I are one.
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People come on......

this is the price you pay for being top dog of the food chain.

If two people of the same sex get married how does it effect you in the long run?
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Old 02-13-2004, 09:06 AM   #8
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Buckmine ,
all you have to do is look back into history for your answer .

The Greeks considered homosexuality acceptable , and even preferable in many circumstances . Their civilization collapsed .
The Romans gradually accepted the concept of gay marriage and legalized it . Their civilization collapsed .

Every civilization that has ever allowed gay marriage was conquered by other cultures or collapsed from within in short order , so why should we join them ?

As Messageman might put it , "God created Adam and Eve , not Adam and Steve" .

Sorry for taking your name in vain MM , but I'm sure that you'd agree with my position this time .
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Old 02-13-2004, 09:25 AM   #9
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Kevin, while I will always say that everyone has the right to there opinion, I think that your argument on this is a bit flawed. Was the reason that those empires fell because of, or have anything to do with homosexuality or the fact that it was accepted in there societies? With that line of thought you could say just about anything. Greeks and Romans also drank wine, oh oh, we do that too. I would say that it has way more to do with the fact that every empire that raises up falls at some point. We are humans, this is what we do, build up and tear down.
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Jorgy ,
my point was that these formerly great civilizations all sank into depravity of one form or another and were eventually wiped out . Acceptance of homosexuality was only one of many symptoms . The slide down the slippery slope begins with a single step , but you'll stumble more than once before hitting bottom .

I have a female cousin whom I love dearly who's gay , but I still oppose gay marriage because it's just plain wrong . Marriage implies family , headed by a father and mother, not 2 pickle puffing deviants(Thanks Taz , I always knew that phrase would come in handy someday!) . I also know a lesbian couple who live at the county seat who are raising a boy . The boy is a nice child , very polite , but after being exposed to nearly nothing but gays he's got a real distorted view of family life . I hate to think of how many other ways he may be distorted . [:'(] []

I can't and will never accept the concept of gay marriage as normal .
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