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Old 02-11-2004, 04:06 PM   #1
 
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Should the government regulate your right to bear arms at all? If so, how?
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Old 02-11-2004, 04:15 PM   #2
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Yes, but I'll have to get into it a bit, so here I go...

I agree with some of the regulations that we have in place already. I don't think felons should be able to own firearms, although I would say there should be some point were we should look at giving that "freedom" back to them. Point being is an offense that happens to someone where they are young (18 as example) keep that person from being able to own guns later in life? That gets to be a grey area for me. At some point, I say if you have lived a good life, you should get that right back.

Mentally challenge, nope, keep them guns away, along with pointy scissors and the remote control. I also don't have a probem with age restriction that are inplace in alot of states. 21 for handguns being one of them that I can think of.

I also don't have a problem with having to have a class 3 liciense to own a automatic rifle. That is about where I draw the line unless someone brings up a good point I didn't think of
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Old 02-11-2004, 05:13 PM   #3
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Here are some good regulations:

Don't use a gun to murder someone.
Don't use a gun to injure someone.
Don't use a gun to steal.
Practice firearm safety.

That's about it, I think.
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How about an even shorter condensation.......

Don't use a firearm in the commission of any violent crime! (If a firearm is involved...and you commit a crime.....that meets the definition!)

That about covers it!
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Old 02-11-2004, 05:55 PM   #5
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uld the government regulate your right to bear arms at all? If so, how?
Nope.

And contrary to most posters who believe that arms means only small arms, it don't .

It means ORDINANCE.

The revolutionary war was fought with privately owned ordinance -- guess that means I can own it too.

If you use it in the commission of a crime -- YOU DIE.
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Old 02-11-2004, 08:09 PM   #6
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If the second amendment is to protect the people from a tyrannical government, than the citizens should have access to all the same weapons that the government has.

Right now the government is out of control. If you want to give yourself a screaming headache, read up on the laws concerning assault weapons, and even better, NFA weapons.

Having a small sear part for an AR-15 that would cost $10 to make, that doesn't have the proper tax stamp, serial number, and proof of manufacturing date (btw it had to have been made before 1986 to even legally exist) is the equivalent of owning an unregistered machinegun and will put you in prison for a very long time. Even if you have the sear part, the proper documentation for it, and paid the tax stamp on it, you can't just go out and buy an AR and install it-nooo it has to be of a certain serial number range to legally do this. Assault weapons- if you possess a post ban serialed upper receiver, and add a flash suppressor to it, you are in violation of law even if you don't own a lower receiver. A preban lower receiver can even be illegal to build into a rifle if you cannot prove that it was originally built into a rifle before the AWB, and not just a part off a shelf- and who is going to be able to prove that?

The BATFE CAN AND WILL confiscate your goods if you fall into any of these gray areas of the law. Not only can they confiscate and make a mess of your life, they don't even have to charge you with a crime to retain the possession of your weapons.


If the BATFE was formed in 1789, George Washington would have shot every damn one of them.

Abolish the BATFE
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Old 02-11-2004, 08:18 PM   #7
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So, what does the "well regulated" part of the Second mean to you all. To me it has always meant not using guns in crime, but keeping them for good. Well regulated = law abiding. How am I wrong here fng?
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"well regulated" in terms of the language when the bill of rights was ratified meant something along the lines of "well equipt and trained." Alot of conscripts into Washington's army showed up without enough ammunition if they brought a rifle at all- they often times left their arms at home so the woman of the house could defend it if needed.


If you don't believe me, take alok at the words "well regulated" in a modern sense. What do the two words mean together? Would it mean highly regulated? Heavily restricted? A militia that cannot legally own military weapons?

No, that would not make sense, would it?
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Old 02-11-2004, 09:15 PM   #10
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No, I don't doubt you at all. I always took "regulated" to refer to regulations, as in rules.
Not restrictions, but common sense rules to avoid anarchy and such.
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