No comments on Messageman's post about the PATRIOT act? As far as I'm concerned that's far and away the largest 'Reigning in' of rights I've seen in the recent past.
We can look at what the Dems say, or what the Reps do. I tend to believe actions before I believe words...
Matt, why don't you explain the parts of the Patriot act that you believe "reign in these rights?"
Forgot to add. This topic was started as commentary on a quote by a public person, much like several other similar topics. so comments have been directed towards the original quote. You seem to ignore the original quote and want to redirect the conversation to the Patriot Act. In addition to further comments on the Patriot Act, do you have any other comments about the original quote?
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Section 3103a of title 18, United States Code, is amended--
(1) by inserting `(a) IN GENERAL- ' before `In addition'; and
(2) by adding at the end the following:
`(b) DELAY- With respect to the issuance of any warrant or court order under this section, or any other rule of law, to search for and seize any property or material that constitutes evidence of a criminal offense in violation of the laws of the United States, any notice required, or that may be required, to be given may be delayed if--
`(1) the court finds reasonable cause to believe that providing immediate notification of the execution of the warrant may have an adverse result (as defined in section 2705);
`(2) the warrant prohibits the seizure of any tangible property, any wire or electronic communication (as defined in section 2510), or, except as expressly provided in chapter 121, any stored wire or electronic information, except where the court finds reasonable necessity for the seizure; and
`(3) the warrant provides for the giving of such notice within a reasonable period of its execution, which period may thereafter be extended by the court for good cause shown.'.
The goverment keeps talking about the Sunset provision in the bill well it doen't effect these parts of the Patriot act.
SEC. 224. SUNSET.
(a) IN GENERAL- Except as provided in subsection (b), this title and the amendments made by this title (other than sections 203(a), 203(c), 205, 208, 210, 211, 213, 216, 219, 221, and 222, and the amendments made by those sections) shall cease to have effect on December 31, 2005.
(b) EXCEPTION- With respect to any particular foreign intelligence investigation that began before the date on which the provisions referred to in subsection (a) cease to have effect, or with respect to any particular offense or potential offense that began or occurred before the date on which such provisions
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The Patriot Act also has a sunset clause in it. I don't mind giving up some rights temporarily if it will help find terrorists and if I remember right, the Patriot act deals mainly with giving the government the right to search a place where there might be a terrorist threat. This new law will only affect a small percentage of the population.
One of the newest Democratic sponsored bills on gun control would make the assault weapons ban permanent. You will note that the bill was first passed with a ten year time limit. Now at the end of that ten years, true to form they are trying to make it permanent. This new law would affect a much much larger percentage of the population permanently and it will reduce our ability to protect ourselves. Not to mention it goes directly against the 2nd Amendment.
I consider the Patriot Act a necessary evil, while the assault on our 2nd amendment rights is just plain evil.
Calhunter, I did a quick search and I couldn't find the context of that quote, so It's really hard to say too much about it. While it is a fun game, picking quotes out of context isn't really all that useful. I'm sure with a bit of searching I could find a left wing website with a bunch of quotes from Bush that seem awful damning when pulled out of context.
That said, if you take the quote at face value it reflects pretty badly on Clinton, and some would say democrats in general. I don't think the Clinton administration wound up reigning in too many rights during their time in the White house.
I should have some downtime this afternoon, if I do I'll try to respond to your question about the patriot act. for now I need to get back to work.
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