The true liberal view on guns.

[strut]

Got this from the liberal forum us guys have been visiting, Some ignorant liberal jerk over there thinks he is the final arbitrator on the 2nd amendment, I just plainly told him he was full of ****. Here it is, the true liberal view of gun-ownership and our 2nd amendment.

"Basically this is simple. The 2nd Amendment does not give anyone the right to own guns. It has never been interpreted by the courts that way in our history. It is not considered a citizens gun amendment even by this current conservative court.

This amendment was called the "States Rights Amendment" after the Bill of Rights was passed for the first 100 years or so. Can those of you who believe that this amendment gives citizens the right to keep weapons tell me why this amendment went by that name?"

How anyone can vote for people that see our 2nd amendment like this is beyond me especially a supposedly gun-owner.

[DearSlayer357]

stupid jerks are trying to take away americans 1st freedom away!

[gman1969]

To me the 2nd amendment is pretty clear. But for arguments sake, the best way to find out exactly what the 2nd amendment (& the others as well) originally meant would be to allow those who were involved with, as well as their contemporaries, to define exactly what this meant. Ifford posted a number of good quotes by those key important people which I'm sure most everyone here is familiar with:

"Americans [have] the right and advantage of being armed--unlike citizens of those countries whose governments are afraid to trust people with arms."

-James Madison

"I ask sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people... To disarm the people, that is the best and most effective way to enslave them..."

-George Mason

"No freeman shall be debarred the use of arms ......"

-Thomas Jefferson

"Arms, like laws, discourage and keep the invader and the plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property. The balance of power is the scale of peace."

-Thomas Paine.

"A free people ought...to be armed..."

- George Washington (this one by Hip)

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The 2nd Amendment does not give anyone the right to own guns.

According to those mentioned above, it does. But who were they??

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It is not considered a citizens gun amendment even by this current conservative court.

Conservative or not, if that's true, then they're wrong.

[ag4life]

Being a lawyer myself, and a gun owner, that moron clearly does not know what he is talking about. Under My Knowledge of the Second Amendment, it was never called the "States Rights Amendment." It is true that the court does not interpret it as a citizens gun amendment, but what he must understand, is that any Amendment can be interpreted in any way the court sees fit at that palce time. Under a differnt situation, the court could interpret the Amendment to protect individual citizens rights, and in a way it does. This Argument has been used for years, and has been successful in many courts. It is the right of a United Stated Citizen to carry a weapon for protection and sport. This was the intention of our Founding Fathers.