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Old 01-24-2004, 07:27 AM   #1
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Default How do you feel about Gun Shows?

We all know that the Politicians in Washington,mostly liberal Democrats as documented everywhere, but also some Republicans,want to eliminate the so-called "Gun Show Loophole".

Lets think a little further into this. The only reason they want to get rid of gun shows is to stop you and me from meeting up at a venue and discussing our ideas or pass information on how to combat their assults on our Second Amendment. If they can stop us from meeting in mass at gun shows we will be limited in our communication with other people who share our passion for guns and hunting.

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Gun Shows: An American Tradition


Gun Shows, a piece of Americana. Like boat shows, car shows and art shows, gun shows are large events open to the public. Held in convention centers and similar facilities, they attract a broad range of people with an interest in guns, including collectors, hunters, target shooters, police officers and military personnel. Exhibitors include gun dealers (all federally licensed), gun collectors, hunting guides, target shooting clubs, and vendors of books, clothing, hunting accessories, targets, gun parts and the like.

Gun Shows & the First Amendment. Gun shows are an important venue for those interested in the political issues surrounding gun ownership. Attendees meet and share information in order to work together to protect rights guaranteed by the U.S. Constitution and the constitutions of 44 states. As such, gun shows are an important part of the political process, an important part of political speech protected by the First Amendment.

Gun Shows and Federal Law. Federal gun laws apply equally everywhere; there are no special exemptions for gun shows. Under the Gun Control Act (1968), anyone who "engages in the business" of selling firearms must be licensed, regardless of where he does business. There is no such thing as an "unlicensed dealer," and dealing in guns without a license is a federal felony, punishable by up to five years in prison and a $5,000 fine. In the Firearms Owners Protection Act (1986), Congress specifically authorized licensed firearms dealers to conduct business at gun shows.

Many Federal laws place obstacles to criminals getting guns. Under Federal law (and many state laws), felons, illegal aliens, fugitives, drug addicts and several other classes of "prohibited persons" are barred from possessing guns or ammunition. It is also illegal to buy a gun for a prohibited person (called a "straw purchase") or provide a gun to a prohibited person by any other means. These are felony offenses punishable by 10 years in prison and a fine of $10,000.

Gun Shows and the National Instant Check System. Congress has provided tens of millions of dollars to upgrade state criminal history records for entry into the National Instant Check System (NICS), which is used to screen retail gun purchasers. Federal law requires dealers to always screen gun customers through NICS. They must do so at gun shows, just as they would anywhere else.

Congress has specifically addressed gun sales by people who are not dealers. Under Federal law, a person who is not a dealer may sell a gun to another non-dealer for the purpose of "improving or liquidating a personal firearms collection." This is true wherever the sale occurs, and only a tiny percentage of such sales occur at shows. As noted, however, to "engage in the business" of dealing in firearms requires a federal license.

Few criminals get guns at gun shows. The most recent Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS) survey of imprisoned felons found that less than 1% obtained guns from gun shows. (Firearms Use by Offenders, Nov. 2001). The previous BJS survey found that only 1.7% of federal prison inmates got their guns from gun shows. (Federal Firearms Offenders, 1992-98, June 2000) An earlier National Institutes of Justice study found that less than 2% obtained guns from shows. (Homicide in Eight U.S. Cities, Dec. 1997) According to these reports, most criminals get guns from theft or burglary, the black market, or friends and family members.
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Old 01-24-2004, 07:48 AM   #2
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I would like for one of them big dummies to tell me what the "gun-show loophole" is.
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Old 01-24-2004, 07:58 AM   #3
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F4YG, I'm with you!
This is just one of the lies that the anti's like to spout. They know that if it is said enough times that people will begin to believe it as a "fact!"
Another of their frequent lies is about the "assault" guns! These guns are used in only a low percentage of crimes, and the fully automatics are already outlawed unless you can get an expensive permit!
They are just trying to nibble away at our rights one at a time, and the scarry thing about it is some gun owners buy into these lies!
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I would like for one of them big dummies to tell me what the "gun-show loophole" is.
There is no "gun show loophole". There are MORE than enough laws on the books for guns. This is just simply another attempt by liberals to, little by little, ever so slowly but surely, remove all arms from Americans, or at least as many arms as possible. (Hey maybe they would find it in their heart to still allow us registered pellet guns!) If you could get a straight foward, honest opinion from the VAST majority of liberals, they would say that their idea of a more perfect America would be a gunless America.

I'm sure a lot of you here have probably read this before, but here are some stats from countries who have gone this route: http://www.gunowners.org/sk0703.htm
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Yeah JagMagMan, the so called "assault weapon ban" is the biggest lie yet.
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I like gun shows.
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I like gun shows too.
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Old 01-25-2004, 06:13 AM   #8
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I like gun shows too.
Me 3.

Get to handle all the wares, buy& talk ammo ,reloading stuff, meet intresting folks, even see history in a few pieces of metal& wood.

So i guess all private sales of firearms is prohibited by federal laws?
and firearms gifts to children etc?
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No , you can by a gun as a gift for anyone that you knowingly could buy one for themselves.
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Old 01-25-2004, 08:15 AM   #10
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I'm not a federally licensed dealer.....I don't sell guns for profit...I'm like most of you...a private citizen that likes guns and occasionally sells one because I want a different one.....and when I do I don't charge sales tax and don't do a background check....the law don't allow me to

Go to the BATF website...read it...it's all about collecting taxes.....something I don't do....I think it's all about taxes.....something we already pay way way too much of.

As a private citizen I'm legally allowed to sell a gun....that's where the wrinkle is....MONEY!!!!!!!
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