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Old 01-13-2004, 10:40 AM   #1
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What does everyone think about this. The AP poll on this was split evenly


AP Poll: U.S. Tepid on Bush's Space Plans

By WILL LESTER
The Associated Press
Monday, January 12, 2004; 2:50 PM


WASHINGTON - President Bush's plan to build a space station on the moon and eventually send astronauts to Mars hasn't grabbed the public's imagination, an Associated Press poll suggests.



More than half in the poll said it would be better to spend the money on domestic programs rather than on space research.

Asked whether they favored the United States expanding the space program the way Bush proposes, people were evenly split, with 48 percent favoring the idea and the same number opposing it, according to the poll conducted for the AP by Ipsos-Public Affairs.

Most respondents said they generally support continuing to send humans into space.

However, given the choice of spending money on programs like education and health care or on space research, 55 percent said they wanted domestic programs. Based on previous estimates for a moon-Mars initiative, the space cost would run in the hundreds of billions of dollars.

"You can't have a war, cut taxes, have the economy in a garbage pail and spend billions going into space," said Dallas Hodgins, a 76-year-old retired University of Michigan researcher from Flint, Mich. "How are they going to pay for all this? I don't see how it's morally justifiable. In Flint, there isn't a school roof that doesn't leak."

On Wednesday, Bush is scheduled to spell out details of his proposal to use an outpost on the moon as a jumping off point for more remote destinations such as Mars or asteroids.

Those most likely to favor the plan to expand space exploration were men, young adults, people with more education and those with higher incomes.

It made a difference who was said to be behind the plan. When half the poll sample was asked about a "Bush administration" plan to expand space exploration instead of the "United States" plan, opposition increased.

Just over half of Democrats' opposed the plan by "the United States." Once it was identified as a "Bush administration" plan, Democrats opposed it by a 2-to-1 margin.

Some have suggested that space exploration could be expanded more inexpensively using robots instead of human astronauts to explore the moon or other planets. The AP-Ipsos poll indicated that option was popular, with 57 percent favoring exploring the moon and Mars with robots and 38 percent saying humans.

Despite the mixed response about the moon-Mars proposal, general support for space exploration remains strong.

Even after people were reminded of a shuttle accident that killed seven astronauts last February, three-fourths said the United States should continue to send humans into space.

Administration officials say the president will call for the retirement of the space shuttles by the end of this decade to make way for the next generation of spacecraft.

For many people, the proposal to go back to the moon and beyond arouses the same sense of exploration and adventure the space program captured in its earliest days.

"I think it's a great idea," said Paula Steiner, 52 of Jacksonville, Fla. "It's human nature. There's always been an instinct in human beings to explore to see what's going on elsewhere."

She said she thinks it's "very important" for the United States to be an international leader in space exploration.

"Part of it's mindless patriotism, I suppose," she said, chuckling. "I remember in the early days when we were racing with the Russians. I'd still prefer that we be first."

Steiner's view is shared by most Americans.

Three-fourths in the poll said they thought it was important for the United States to be the leading country in the world in the exploration of space. Still, only 29 percent of those polled said it was "very important."

The AP-Ipsos poll of 1,000 adults was taken Friday through Sunday and had a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 3 percentage points.
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Old 01-13-2004, 10:47 AM   #2
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On one hand, I do believe in the "human nature" aspect of exploration. On the other hand, it's huge amount of money for this stuff and we (USA) has many more useful ways to spend these billions, and billions of dollars.

I would have to say no to this. The federal government was not created to waste my money left and right like they do. I get more and more pissed every day over things like this. Right now my money is spent on way to many world affairs, I don't see any reason why we have to expand that on galactic affairs also.
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Old 01-13-2004, 10:57 AM   #3
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More than half in the poll said it would be better to spend the money on domestic programs rather than on space research
Money? What money? The U.S. has no money for this, nor for any more "domestic programs" (read: More giveaways to the sick, lame and lazy!!) either, which have always proven to be equivalent to flushing it down the crapper.

IF there was funding, I'd be for space exporation! Man has got to find someplace to go before the next asteroid hits!!
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Old 01-13-2004, 10:58 AM   #4
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Let's straighten out the USA before we shoot billions of dollars into space.
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Old 01-13-2004, 11:01 AM   #5
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Let's straighten out the USA before we shoot billions of dollars into space.
my sentiment exactly. Lets knock down some of the debt then move on the
exploration. I feel space exploration is important, we simply dont have the
money right now.
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Old 01-13-2004, 11:15 AM   #6
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I'm caught on this one. I heard a guy talk about this on the news - his take when asked about the money was that Americans need space programs and they don't mind the money being spent on it because we all need hope and something to keep us occupied (not exact words, but basically for the entertainment value of it all).

I think space is cool so to explore it further is great. Spending all those future tax dollars? No.
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Economically, I'd say it's too expensive when you consider the national debt and so many things we need to fix at home. However, when I consider all of the medical and scientific advances we've learned from previous space exploration, it's much harder to justify not exploring space.

For instance, space exploration has given us the ceramics you use to cook in kitchens, epoxy and super glues you use around the house, inexpensive long distance phone calling, remote monitoring of heart patients, dental braces, pacemakers, those blood pressure machines you see in pharmacies and stores and even the computers we use to post on this forum. There are many other benefits directly and indirectly achieved from space exploration. I've listed just 2 of many links on the net regarding benefits of space exploration.

Space Exploration Technology

The Medical benefits of Space Exploration
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Old 01-13-2004, 01:12 PM   #8
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Cal, I understand your point about that, and I knew someone would bring that up. I have to agree with you on that. The other side of that coin is that those things would have been developed anyway, maybe not as quick, but they would have all come along eventually. It's a matter of do you throw billions of dollars at something to make progress come a little quicker, and is the federal government the best way to develop all these goodies?
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Jorgy, that's why I said "economically, I'd say it's too expensive when you consider the national debt and so many things we need to fix at home." I agree that space exploration obviously speeded up our discovery/development of these things but am not so sure we would have found all of these things without space exploration.

Now, what I'd like to see happen is government eliminate all of the waste and bs projects (like studying bovine flatulence that won't help us discover anything helpful other than it smells (and we already know that). I bet we could trim at least 40% from the budget and not affect the core necessary expenditures.
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Didn't they determine termite flatulence is leading to global warming?
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