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Old 01-11-2004, 10:04 AM   #1
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BAGHDAD, Iraq " Danish and Icelandic troops have uncovered a cache of 36 shells buried in the Iraqi desert, and preliminary tests showed they contained a liquid blister agent, the Danish military said.

The 120mm mortar shells are thought to be left over from the eight-year war between Iraq and neighboring Iran, which ended in 1988, U.S. Brig. Gen. Mark Kimmitt (search) said Saturday.

The shells were found by Danish engineering troops and Icelandic de-miners near Al Quarnah (search), north of the city of Basra where Denmark's 410 troops are based, the Danish Army Operational Command said in a written statement.

The shells were wrapped in plastic but had been damaged, and they appeared to have been buried for at least 10 years, the statement said.

It said British experts did a preliminary test and said the shells contained "blister gas," but did not elaborate.

Before the war, the United States alleged Iraq still had stockpiles of mustard gas, a World War I-era blister agent that is stored in liquid form. The chemical burns skin, eyes and the lungs.

U.S. intelligence officials also claimed Iraq had sarin, cyclosarin (search) and VX, which are extremely deadly nerve agents.

"We're doing some preliminary tests to ensure that if they do contain any kind of blister agent that we can dispose of them properly," Kimmitt said.

The Danish military emphasized that the tests were not definitive. In the weeks after the Iraq war, the U.S.-led coalition found several caches that tested positive for mustard gas but later turned out to contain missile fuel or other chemicals.

Initial tests by field troops are designed to favor a positive reading, erring on the side of caution to protect soldiers. More sophisticated tests are often necessary.

Other discoveries early in the U.S.-led occupation turned out to be old caches that had already been tagged by United Nations (news - web sites) inspectors and were scheduled for destruction.

Saddam Hussein (news - web sites)'s regime used chemical weapons against Iranian soldiers during that war and killed an estimated 5,000 Kurdish civilians in a chemical attack on the northern city of Halabja in 1988.

After the first Gulf War (news - web sites) in 1991, a U.N. resolution called for the destruction of all Iraqi nuclear, chemical and biological weapons, as well as missiles with a range of more than 93 miles. The resolution set up a U.N. inspections commission to oversee the process.

The inspectors uncovered hidden nuclear and biological weapons programs in Iraq but found virtually nothing new after 1996. In 1998, Baghdad claimed it no longer had any banned weapons, accused the United States of spying and barred further inspections.

In 2002, President Bush (news - web sites) accused Iraq of resurrecting its programs to develop weapons of mass destruction. After Bush called on the United Nations to pressure Iraq, Saddam agreed to let the inspectors return.

The inspectors worked for nearly four months but found no evidence of any of the weapons the Bush administration had alleged. Since the war, a nine-month search by a succession of U.S. teams has failed to find any current stockpiles of chemical, biological or nuclear weapons.

The lack of evidence has led critics to suggest the Bush administration either mishandled or exaggerated its knowledge of Iraq's alleged arsenal.

In October, Dutch marines found several dozen artillery shells dating from the 1991 Gulf War in the southern Iraqi town of Samawah, but the shells contained no biological or chemical agents. Samawah is 100 miles west of the southern region where the Danes discovered shells Saturday.

In April, U.S. troops found a dozen 55-gallon drums in an open field near the northern Iraqi town of Baiji.

Preliminary tests performed at the scene indicated one drum might contain the nerve agent cyclosarin and a blister agent that could be mustard gas. Tests later showed the barrel's contents were not chemical weapons.
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Old 01-11-2004, 10:33 AM   #2
 
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there is no doubt in my mind that there are stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons still in iraq. this goes to prove that they can be anywhere. the problem is, it's like trying to find a needle in the whole barn let alone the haystack. i also think that sodamn insain shipped out or even sold a large amount of these weapons to neiboring countries and terrorists.
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Old 01-11-2004, 10:38 AM   #3
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I heard about that. It is a "deadly chemical weapon" (WMD) that was not reported by Saddam Hussein via 1441 and not destroyed. Game, set, match. But there will be many still saying we haven't found WMD. They will reconstruct the definition of WMD to exclude whatever we find.
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BINGO doug

especially the democrats and the rest of the anti-war coalition out there. you can't really blame the arab world (yes you can) for having doubts, their eyes and ears are isolated from the world by news stations controlled by the tyrants that rule over them.
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Old 01-11-2004, 12:01 PM   #5
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They were lost.lol.

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The 120mm mortar shells are thought to be left over from the eight-year war between Iraq and neighboring Iran, which ended in 1988, U.S. Brig. Gen. Mark Kimmitt (search) said Saturday.
Your talking about shells buried in the desert for about 14 years.

Serious question, If he had then and was going to use them why weren't any found in front line area's. You know, captured artillary postions where they couild have actually been able to use them. In Baghdad where his troops could get them.

Hussein had to know he was done this time so what would he have to loose by actualy using the WMD if he had stock piles of them? Why move them to Syria if you know your not going to be in control of the country anymore. Hussein had to know his goose was cooked. No air force. His army never was rebuilt since the first gulf war. Why not use the WMD against our troops?
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Old 01-11-2004, 03:08 PM   #6
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Game, set, match. But there will be many still saying we haven't found WMD. They will reconstruct the definition of WMD to exclude whatever we find.

We've got a winner already! Here it is.........


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Your talking about shells buried in the desert for about 14 years.

Serious question, If he had then and was going to use them why weren't any found in front line area's. You know, captured artillary postions where they couild have actually been able to use them. In Baghdad where his troops could get them.
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come on now, we're talking about saddam hussien!!! he thought it was going to be like the last time he messed with us. BTW, he didn't have much time to react this time around either. did he think GW was bluffing?? probably
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Old 01-11-2004, 03:26 PM   #8
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F4yG, I'm not excluding anything just pointing out they were buried since the Iraq -iran war.

Sorry I asked a question. It's been bothering me for awhile.

If 36 shells = game, set and match to you fine.

Any answers?
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Old 01-11-2004, 04:00 PM   #9
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http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/...als/index.html

Guys go to this link and look at the picture of these weapons. They couldn't have been fired, some were leaking
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.the 36 heavy mortar grenades were found in a dried-up marsh Friday. They were buried and packed in plastic.
You can see the white corrosion on a number of the shells, there use less.Is that the reason we put all of those brave young Americans in harms way?

Your right Game, set and match. 36 shells that couldn't have been fired anyway. That were left over from the Iran- Iraq war that we knew they had during that war, cause we supplied the agents to make them. When Iraq was our allie.

I know pointing this out makes me unAmeriacn.
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Old 01-11-2004, 04:13 PM   #10
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Five years before Saddam Hussein"s now infamous 1988 gassing of the Kurds, a key meeting took place in Baghdad that would play a significant role in forging close ties between Saddam Hussein and Washington. It happened at a time when Saddam was first alleged to have used chemical weapons. The meeting in late December 1983 paved the way for an official restoration of relations between Iraq and the US, which had been severed since the 1967 Arab-Israeli war.

With the Iran-Iraq war escalating, President Ronald Reagan dispatched his Middle East envoy, a former secretary of defense, to Baghdad with a hand-written letter to Iraqi President Saddam Hussein and a message that Washington was willing at any moment to resume diplomatic relations.

That envoy was Donald Rumsfeld.

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In March of 1984, with the Iran-Iraq war growing more brutal by the day, Rumsfeld was back in Baghdad for meetings with then-Iraqi Foreign Minister Tariq Aziz. On the day of his visit, March 24th, UPI reported from the United Nations: "Mustard gas laced with a nerve agent has been used on Iranian soldiers in the 43-month Persian Gulf War between Iran and Iraq, a team of U.N. experts has concluded... Meanwhile, in the Iraqi capital of Baghdad, U.S. presidential envoy Donald Rumsfeld held talks with Foreign Minister Tarek Aziz (sic) on the Gulf war before leaving for an unspecified destination."

The day before, the Iranian news agency alleged that Iraq launched another chemical weapons assault on the southern battlefront, injuring 600 Iranian soldiers. "Chemical weapons in the form of aerial bombs have been used in the areas inspected in Iran by the specialists," the U.N. report said. "The types of chemical agents used were bis-(2-chlorethyl)-sulfide, also known as mustard gas, and ethyl N, N-dimethylphosphoroamidocyanidate, a nerve agent known as Tabun."

http://www.commondreams.org/views02/0802-01.htm

Why didn't we care back then that he had the weapons that they just found??
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