logo
 

Go Back   HuntingNet.com Forums > Non Hunting > Politics

Politics Nothing goes with politics quite like crying and complaining, and we're a perfect example of that.

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 01-10-2004, 09:26 PM   #1
Giant Nontypical
 
vc1111's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Land of Oz
Posts: 9,225
Default Ohio = "OVI" = Yellow plates...Fair? Yes or No?

New Ohio law mandates special yellow and red DUI license plates

MARIETTA - A new Ohio law taking effect today will change traffic law terminology and the color of some license plates across the state.


When Senate Bill 123 went into effect at midnight it changed the terminology for operating a motor vehicle under the influence and driving under the influence to "operating vehicle under the influence" (OVI).

The bill also updated a 1967 law requiring judges to now issue yellow restricted plates to all first time OVI offenders who have been granted limited driving privileges. The older version gave judges the option of issuing the plates. Julie Hinds, public information officer for the Ohio Bureau of Motor Vehicles, said good drivers in Ohio will not be affected by the new law.

"They are used as a deterrent for people not to drink and drive or use drugs and drive," she said. "Everyone will know now that this license plate is associated with drinking and driving or drug use and driving. Everyone will know."

Ohio State Highway Patrol Lt. M.A. Pfeifer said she supports anything that saves lives.

"We certainly support anything that would reduce the amount of property damage, injury crashes and fatalities. If that's a tool that we are given from the Legislature, we will use it."

Troopers will not use the plates to profile vehicles on the highway, instead Pfeifer said troopers will use the same patrolling methods they always use.

"It doesn't matter what color the plate is or what state it is from, we going to look for behavioral characteristics of somebody under the influence of alcohol or drug," she said.

BMV data shows 833 sets of restricted plates have been issued statewide, but none of the plates have been issued by Washington County or Meigs County judges. One set of plates has been issued in Athens County.

With the law in effect, Hinds expects Ohio drivers will notice the yellow plates more often.

"If everything works as it is suppose to, there will be more plates out," she said. "Agencies that have never issued them will begin issuing them."

Prisoners in Ohio began making more restricted plates in November, Hinds said.

Since then the BMV has shipped 5,400 sets of restricted plates to the state's 216 BMV offices. When those sets have been used, another 12,000 sets are in the BMV's Columbus warehouse awaiting delivery.
__________________
vc1111 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-10-2004, 09:45 PM   #2
Nontypical Buck
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: , Wy USA
Posts: 2,415
Default RE: Ohio = "OVI" = Yellow plates...Fair? Yes or No?

The ol scarlet letter.

Wonder what kind/ color ppl who kill someone with get( with there car or otherwise).

what about those regestered sex offenders plates?


And yes im sure the policia will not see them at all lol
1eyedfish is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-10-2004, 10:42 PM   #3
Nontypical Buck
 
summit daWg's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Arlington WA. USA
Posts: 1,263
Default RE: Ohio = "OVI" = Yellow plates...Fair? Yes or No?

Quote:
ORIGINAL: 1eyedfish

The ol scarlet letter.

Wonder what kind/ color ppl who kill someone with get( with there car or otherwise).

what about those regestered sex offenders plates?


And yes im sure the policia will not see them at all lol
[>:][X(][:@] Gotta aggree with you there !!! What the f#%* is next?
Do these[X(] idiots[&:][>:] not realize they CANNOT legislate us all into perfection!![&:][&:]
__________________
Blue Ribbon Coalition
Snowmobile Alliance of Western States
WSSA
NRA
RMEF
GO DAWGS!!!
summit daWg is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-12-2004, 06:39 AM   #4
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Tomah Wi USA
Posts: 1,149
Default RE: Ohio = "OVI" = Yellow plates...Fair? Yes or No?

I think this is a good idea. Let people pay for there crimes. If you don't want a yellow plate then don't drive drunk. It is as simple as that!
__________________
Be yourself!

Everone else is already taken!

stork is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-12-2004, 06:50 AM   #5
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Scottsdale Arizona USA
Posts: 527
Default RE: Ohio = "OVI" = Yellow plates...Fair? Yes or No?

Need to bring back those star tatoos so we know who those jews are. I hate to see repressive crap like this that takes more individual freedom away. I never had a dui and never will but how about those plates for smokers who cost the health system so much and those fat asses who do the same. Anyone who thinks this marking system is a good idea needs to understand that those bad old GUN OWNER tags are not far behind. Freedom just don't mean what it used to in this country. For the moderators I am using the tatoo example not to slam religions but to relate to fascist majority rule pushers.
gleninAZ is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-12-2004, 07:04 AM   #6
Nontypical Buck
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Thornton, Colorado
Posts: 1,908
Default RE: Ohio = "OVI" = Yellow plates...Fair? Yes or No?

It won't be long before you see a lawsuit over this, actaully, I can't believe there hasn't already been one. If we are going to start "marking" people, lets start marking the plates of hot/loose woman, atleast that will do me some good.
__________________
Caution - Some posts may contain sarcasim
Jorgy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-12-2004, 07:14 AM   #7
Nontypical Buck
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Thornton, Colorado
Posts: 1,908
Default RE: Ohio = "OVI" = Yellow plates...Fair? Yes or No?

Oh wait, we are all marked, crap


U.S. to Push Airlines for Passenger Records
Travel Database to Rate Security Risk Factors
By Sara Kehaulani Goo
Washington Post Staff Writer
Monday, January 12, 2004; Page A01


Despite stiff resistance from airlines and privacy advocates, the U.S. government plans to push ahead this year with a vast computerized system to probe the backgrounds of all passengers boarding flights in the United States.

The government will compel airlines and airline reservations companies to hand over all passenger records for scrutiny by U.S. officials, after failing to win cooperation in the program's testing phase. The order could be issued as soon as next month. Under the system, all travelers passing through a U.S. airport are to be scored with a number and a color that ranks their perceived threat to the aircraft.

Another program that is to be introduced this year that seeks to speed frequent fliers through security lines in exchange for volunteering personal information to the government.

The two new initiatives will augment a system introduced last week to fingerprint and photograph millions of foreign visitors on arrival in the United States.

Privacy and consumer advocates worry that both programs could be discriminatory because they subject airline passengers to different levels of scrutiny. Certain travelers, such as non-U.S. citizens, could face additional questioning under the program known as CAPPS 2, or the second version of the Computer Assisted Passenger PreScreening Program, some organizations say. Business travelers who typically pay high prices for their seats will likely get an easier pass through security in the "registered traveler" program.

Privacy advocates say they are most concerned about CAPPS 2, which would replace the airlines' existing computer screening system. The TSA believes the current system is based on old assumptions about terrorists, flagging passengers, for instance, who paid with cash or bought one-way tickets. Passengers targeted for additional screening commonly find an "SSS" or "***" designation on their boarding pass.

The TSA said the new computerized system is to provide a more thorough approach to screening passengers. It will collect travelers' full name, home address and telephone number, date of birth and travel itinerary. The information will be fed into large databases, such as Lexis-Nexis and Acxiom, that tap public records and commercial computer banks, such as shopping mailing lists, to verify that passengers are who they say they are. Once a passenger is identified, the CAPPS 2 system will compare that traveler against wanted criminals and suspected terrorists contained in other databases.

The two-step process will result in a numerical and color score for each passenger. A "red" rating means a passenger will be prohibited from boarding. "Yellow" indicates that a passenger will receive additional scrutiny at the checkpoint and a "green" rating paves the way for a standard trip through security. Also factored into one's score will be intelligence about certain routes and airports where there might be higher-rated risks to security.

Although it is unclear how many passengers would fit into each category, the TSA said its best estimation is that 5 percent of the traveling public will be flagged yellow or red, compared with an estimated 15 percent of passengers who are flagged under the current version of CAPPS 1.

The registered traveler program, also known as "trusted traveler," has been a favorite of the airline industry since the terrorist attacks in 2001. The first leader of the Transportation Security Administration declined to pursue the idea, saying he worried that terrorists in "sleeper cells" could establish themselves as trusted residents over a period of years and later exploit their status to hijack planes.

Now under new leadership, the TSA is to begin testing the program at selected airports with $5 million in Congressional funding. Officials say the program could enhance security because the pool of those who need to be assessed would be reduced by the background checks each passenger would undergo. The agency declined to say how the program would work except that it would be voluntary and that registered passengers would not skip security screening altogether.

"It's not as though the person who goes through the checkpoint won't be going through a basic level of screening," said David M. Stone, the TSA's acting administrator.

But privacy experts are skeptical. Registered traveler is "going to create two classes of airline travelers," said Barry Steinhardt, director of the technology and liberty program at the American Civil Liberties Union, an organization that opposes both programs. Registered traveler, he said, "has no security benefits." Terrorists will learn one way or another how to "game" the system, he said.

Last week, the Department of Homeland Security started a visa-tracking program that the ACLU and other groups also deemed discriminatory. International airports and ports began digitally fingerprinting and photographing foreign visitors from certain countries in the Middle East, Asia, Africa and South America when they enter the country on a visa, although most European countries are exempt from the program.

"These kinds of dragnet systems are feel-good but cost-inefficient," said Richard Sobel, a privacy policy researcher at Harvard Medical School. "The government would do much better using resources to better identify people and deter people who might cause some harm than to use resources devoted to the 99 percent of people who are innocent."

Under one proposal advocated by the major U.S. airlines, passengers who submit an application to the TSA would receive a special card or other identification, if they're approved. At the airport, they would show the card at the security checkpoint or ticket counter and submit to a handprint or fingerprint to verify their identity. Then, the passenger could walk through a checkpoint area dedicated to members of the program.

The airline industry argues that a registered traveler program would not create a class system but would simply reduce wait times for all passengers. "The thing that really frustrates people is not the fact that someone goes through [the security line] more quickly," said Jim May, chief executive officer at the Air Transport Association, the airline industry's lobbying organization. "It's the people who don't prepare themselves and go through security and tie up the whole line. They're the people who really aggravate those people who are trying to catch a plane."

In the push forward on CAPPS 2, U.S. officials said the TSA is to soon begin forcing the airlines to turn over their passenger reservation lists. No airline responded to the agency's initial request for the documents last fall. U.S. carriers have been reluctant to turn over the data because of negative publicity association with the program.

The TSA's first airline partner to test CAPPS 2, Delta Air Lines, backed out of the agreement after privacy advocates put up a Web site encouraging passengers to boycott the airline. The European Union, whose passengers would also be rated and screened, have said the system would violate EU privacy laws, but it has allowed the TSA to use passenger data for testing purposes.

The final blow came in September last year, when JetBlue Airways was sued in several states by passengers after the airline admitted it had turned over passenger data for a military project related to aviation security. The TSA has since been unable to find an airline to help the agency test CAPPS 2 and might now have to resort to coercion to get the reservation data.

Homeland Security officials said some elements of CAPPS 2 and the U.S. VISIT program for fingerprinting and photographing foreigners will overlap because both systems compare passengers against the same terrorist and criminal watch lists. The U.S. VISIT also aims to ensure that visitors do not overstay their visas. U.S. officials said they are considering merging the two programs.

Nuala O'Connor Kelly, the chief privacy officer at Homeland Security, said if the databases are merged, the government would impose strict rules about which agencies can use the passenger information and how it could be used.

"We want these programs to be efficient to the extent it makes them more efficient to have them rolled together, we will be looking at that," Kelly said.

But Kelly acknowledged that there will be several hurdles to clear. The U.S. government has not said how long it will keep data on U.S. VISIT travelers. Information on most passengers screened by CAPPS 2 can be held only for "a matter of days," she said.
__________________
Caution - Some posts may contain sarcasim
Jorgy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-12-2004, 07:40 AM   #8
Giant Nontypical
 
vc1111's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Land of Oz
Posts: 9,225
Default RE: Ohio = "OVI" = Yellow plates...Fair? Yes or No?

Prior to August 9, 1997, I was an athlete. I was able to and free to work out as much as 2 hours a day, mostly running and light weight lifting.

At around 8:00pm that day a drunk driver passed out on the freeway...out cold behind the wheel. His vehicle continued traveling at approximately 65 mph until it careened off the freeway and up the ramp where his vehicle met mine. Mine was completely stopped. I was waiting for the light at the end of the ramp to change.

My injuries were permanent. I'm lucky. I'm still moving around, but I cannot do many of the things I used to do. Of course it could have been worse.

Just another story, just another statistic...until its YOU...or someone you love.

People in general do NOT think that drinking and driving is a big deal. Want proof? Read this thread again.

Funny thing is that I'd bet my house none of you would say a word about having convicted child molestors forced to use special plates.
__________________
vc1111 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-12-2004, 07:47 AM   #9
Boone & Crockett
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Posts: 18,458
Default RE: Ohio = "OVI" = Yellow plates...Fair? Yes or No?

Let's say I'm convicted of DWI but my wife also uses the car? So she gets branded with the plates too? To avoid these plates all I would have to do is have my spouse register the car right?

Quote:
Troopers will not use the plates to profile vehicles on the highway, instead Pfeifer said troopers will use the same patrolling methods they always use.
Sure they won't.
__________________
You're only one post away from a federal watch list.
Charlie P is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-12-2004, 07:48 AM   #10
Giant Nontypical
 
farmcntry's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: NC
Posts: 6,764
Send a message via Yahoo to farmcntry
Default RE: Ohio = "OVI" = Yellow plates...Fair? Yes or No?

In some cases here after a couple of offenses they install a thing on the car that you have to breath in before it will start to see if you are drunk or not.

Now, why in the heck do they not do this on the first offense????
Most drunk drivers are repeat offenders so if they have to use a colored license plate, so be it. I'm for it.

Too many repeat offenders of drunk driving are killing people and destroying families in the blink of an eye.

I drink but don't drink and drive. I really don't find it that hard to avoid!
__________________
Don't sweat the petty things, and don't pet the sweaty things.
farmcntry is offline   Reply With Quote
 
 
Reply


Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are Off

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
License Plates RockinChair Bowhunting 15 03-25-2008 06:39 PM
Plates early in Bowhunting 0 02-21-2008 04:24 PM
Missouri can get NRA plates ..Maybe! PABuck_HNTR Politics 5 02-06-2004 09:44 PM
Got my vanity plates mathewsarcher Bowhunting 11 02-01-2004 08:39 AM

 

All times are GMT -8. The time now is 12:39 AM.