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Old 01-07-2004, 05:49 PM   #1
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WASHINGTON (AP) "” President Bush called Wednesday for a major overhaul of America's immigration system to grant legal status to millions of undocumented workers in the United States, saying the current program is not working.

"Out of common sense and fairness, our laws should allow willing workers to enter our country and fill jobs that Americans are not filling," the president said in an East Room speech to members of Congress, his Cabinet and immigrant advocacy groups.

Bush's election-year proposal is designed to win support among Hispanic voters while helping meet the needs of American employers. His plan would create a temporary worker program for undocumented workers now in the United States and those in other countries who have been offered employment here.

"As a nation that values immigrants and depends on immigrants, we should have immigration laws that work and make us proud," the president said. "Yet today we do not. Instead we see many employers turning to the illegal labor market. We see millions of hard-working men and women condemned to fear and insecurity in a massive undocumented economy.

"Illegal entry across our borders makes more difficult the urgent task of securing the homeland," the president said.

Bush said his proposals, if enacted by Congress, would provide a more compassionate system for immigrants who now live in the shadows of American society.

"Decent, hard-working people will now be protected by labor laws with the right to change jobs, earn fair wages and enjoy the same working conditions that the law requires for American workers," the president said.

While offering new opportunities for undocumented workers, Bush said the proposal would not provide blanket amnesty for foreigners who are in the United States illegally.

"I oppose amnesty, placing undocumented workers on the automatic path to citizenship," he said. "Granting amnesty encourages violation of our laws and perpetuates illegal immigration. America is a welcoming country, but citizenship must not be the automatic reward for violating the laws of America."

Bush said his proposals would strengthen America's borders and make the nation more secure by providing more accountability of those who enter the United States. He said it also would allow law enforcement officials to focus more on real threats.

"America is acting on a basic belief: Our borders should be open to legal travel and honest trade; our borders should be shut and barred tight to criminals, to drug traders, drug traffickers and to criminals and to terrorists."

Bush called Mexican President Vicente Fox to brief him before announcing his proposals.

Bush's proposals break a virtual silence on immigration since the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks raised fears about border security.

The president argues that his plan would make America safer by giving the government a better idea of who was crossing U.S. borders, bolster the economy by meeting employers' need for willing low-wage workers, and fulfill a mandate for compassion by guaranteeing the rights and legitimacy of illegal workers.

By dangling the prospect of legal status to some 8 million illegal immigrants now estimated to be in this country, about half of them Mexican, Bush was granting a top priority of the business community while making his most aggressive move yet to court Hispanic voters "” the nation's fastest-growing electoral bloc.

He won just over one-third of that constituency in 2000 but wants to expand his support in the community to better his chances for re-election in November.

The proposal would provide a way for illegal immigrants who can show they have employment to work legally, although temporarily, in the United States. The new "temporary worker program," which also would include people still in their native countries who have a job lined up in the United States, would not, like the temporary visa programs already in existence that involve mostly technical experts, apply only to a certain sector of the economy or industry.

Much of the detail of president's proposal was to be worked out by Congress in future negotiations with the White House.

For instance, Bush wants to increase the nation's yearly allotment of green cards that allow for permanent U.S. residency, but won't say by how much, the officials said. Around 1 million green cards a year are issued now, though just 140,000 of them are employment-based.

He also wants the workers' first three-year term in the program to be renewable but won't say for how long; he won't set the amount workers should pay to apply for the program; and he won't specify how to enforce the requirement that no American worker wants the job the foreign worker is taking, according to administration officials who spoke on condition of anonymity.

Perhaps the biggest unresolved question is how the plan will allow illegal immigrants access, which they do not now have, to the process of applying for green cards, or permanent U.S. residency.

Sensitive to the opposition of many conservatives in Bush's own party to any reward for those who broke the law when they entered the United States, the administration said it is not proposing blanket amnesty for illegals and the program is not linked to the green card process.

But the White House also said that workers accepted into the temporary program could immediately, with an employer's sponsorship, begin applying for a green card. Although these workers would get no advantage over other applicants, an illegal immigrant who attempted to apply now would simply be deported.


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Old 01-07-2004, 06:23 PM   #2
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I demand a non-english speaking mexican president.
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Old 01-07-2004, 10:12 PM   #3
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[>:] IT SUCKS!!!![X(]
about the time you think you might have a good man-he sticks his head up his ass!!!!!!!!!!-[&:]Stupid![:@][&:]
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Old 01-07-2004, 11:08 PM   #4
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We sure don't have much of a choice for President do we? All the while Bush gives us a so called tax cut, our tax money goes overseas, jobs are not really increasing, and he continues to astound us with dumb proposals. His make-you- feel-good rhetoric has become old. Funny, I was also told today by a good friend that Bush hides behind his religion!
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i was furious when i heard of the plan until i thought about it a while. the time has come when we live in fear because we don't know who is actually in this country. it's actually pretty smart....... he is not doing this out of the goodness of his heart. it forces american companies to seek "american" workers first and foremost. under the labor laws of this country there is such a thing called minimum wage. i may be the only one who is looking at this optimistically, but this will eventually bring jobs back to americans because the "illegals" will not be working for $2.00 an hour anymore, so there would be no reason for american companies to actually seek out employees from other countries. in the meantime, it would force "illegals" to come out of the woodwork. it would also hold the companys responsable for keeping track of their employees. i think he just turned the tables around..... a pretty slick move. i think in time people will change their views.
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Old 01-08-2004, 03:29 AM   #6
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Good points, thelastboyscout. I think the fact he is making such a risky political move in an election year is significant also. That seems to be his MO.

I had basically the same reaction about Bush and the Dept. of Labor proposing the new limits on overtime law. After I put some thought in it, I pulled my jerked knees back in and realized how it would help the lower wage earner, the higher wage earner would merely be on salary instead of hourly, and the economy would benefit from increased income and spending of the lower wage earner.

Risky moves for a politician in an election year....but he is leaving enough time for us slow-pokes to rationalize a bit and see the real benefits.
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Old 01-08-2004, 03:48 AM   #7
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I'd like to see the details and specifics to make a final opinion on it. I do know that the current system is woefully inadequate and doesn't address the problems or our needs. I like some of his security ideas about these proposals but still want to see how it is accomplished.
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I really liked bush for the most part.But this new immigration plan. has got me to thinking maby he use`s mexicans on his farm in texas.I agree with summit dawg. he just made a complete a$$ out of himself.
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well , i knew this would be coming up sooner or later , as it was one of his campaign pledges if i remember correctly.

BUT , i only have one person to discuss things like this about at work , the others are all extreme liberals , and ones a communist [:@]
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I would like to deport bush and his corporate cronies to Chechnya and let the regular russians show him how they deal with trash.
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