How a non-hunter views canned hunting

[Zelazny]

From an email that I copied one of my wifes running friends on .... the blue is her replies to me.



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Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2003 1:28 PM

http://forum.hunting.net/asppg/tm.as...&anchor#473680

I'm fighitin these guy's on canned hunting .... so I opened this thread. Is it as funny as I think it is ??

Brad

-----Original Message-----
From: Beth
Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2003 12:37 PM
To:
Subject: Re:

LOL
What is canned hunting? FUNNY.

----- Original Message -----
From:Brad
To: Beth
Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2003 1:39 PM
Subject: RE:

When you go to a placed that has a fence where the animals cannot escape and where most often they are release only a few hours or days prior to your arrival. Normally just a few acres in size, sometimes up to 100 acres, but never a challenge and a gauranteed kill. Its not unlike going into farmer Brown's pasture and shooting Betsy the milk cow and calling it a hunt and mounting her head - which of course isn't hunting any more than these "canned hunts" are hunting.

Thats not to say hunting cannot occur on small acreages or in high fenced places - but if the animals are not wild - if they're stocked and its gauranteed - that aint hunting, its just killing animals like we do everyday with cows, pigs and chickens.

Brad


-----Original Message-----
From: Beth
Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2003 12:45 PM
To: Brad
Subject: Re:
Gin (my wife)just sent me a reply too. I don't like the sounds of that at ALL. How could someone do that!!??

I don't agree with it at all either.


----- Original Message -----
From: Brad
To: Beth
Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2003 1:49 PM
Subject: RE:


WHat is your view on hunting ? Honeslty, please

-----Original Message-----
From: Beth
Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2003 12:52 PM
To: Brad
Subject: Re:

Well, coming from Maryland, it was a common thing up there. I don't have any problem with it at all. I don't know much about it so I don't know the different types of hunting or whatever, but I don't mind it as long as it's for sport. But the thing that you described to me isn't the type of hunting I agree with. I don't know. I never really thought about it. I mean, if you are killing animals to EAT or to have food, or there is a REASON behind it, then okay. But to set up something like a farm like you spoke of, I don't know if I like that.

----- Original Message -----
From: Brad
To: Beth
Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2003 2:09 PM
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If you could vote to ban these types of canned hunting operations, would you vote yes to that ?




----- Original Message -----
From: Beth
To: Brad
Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2003 2:19 PM
Subject: RE:

YES. Hands down.

[Zelazny]

Hunters (like some of ya'll here) stand by these canned hunts and legislation gets submitted that would ban them and people like Beth gladly vote to stop "hunting". The slippery slope that Johnny speaks of rears its ugly head and the wording of the bill (because of how loose the term hunting is used) ends up banning hunting altogether. Reality ? Maybe, yes, I think ts possible, very possible.

[Big Country]

When you go to a placed that has a fence where the animals cannot escape and where most often they are release only a few hours or days prior to your arrival. Normally just a few acres in size, sometimes up to 100 acres, but never a challenge and a gauranteed kill. Its not unlike going into farmer Brown's pasture and shooting Betsy the milk cow and calling it a hunt and mounting her head - which of course isn't hunting any more than these "canned hunts" are hunting.

Dude, it is now official! You are as big of an enemy to hunting as PETA is. Your deception and lies regarding the majority of high fence operations is disgusting.

You have purposely misled this woman into believing that most high fence operations are this way.

Is this not the same violation of board rules that you tried to use against stonefence prior to your last tearful departure?

I don`t really care what the rules to this board are, you really stepped over the line with this. As a hunter, you should be ashamed of yourself.

[Zelazny]

Big Country - I DID NOT !! If your places has the criteria listed above, it aint hunting buddy and I don't care what you or anyone else says. Don't read part of it and try to make me look the bad guy, its the canned hunting operations that destory the quality of what hunting is, not I.

I will glady step forward each and every time and let non-hunters know exactly what canned hunting is all about. I will not bash high fences nor people choices in their weapons , but to say a penned, non-wild animal that presents no challenge is hunting is disgusting and it in no way representative of hunting.

You are trying to justify your pens - I see that. But do NOT call something hunting when it isn't ar the expense of HUNTING to cover your a$s. I don't know if your place is canned or not - if it is it is, if it isn't, it isn't. But it cannot be both.

I am in no violation of the Rules, I am supporting them. Canned hunting give Hunting a bad name, it reflects poorly on the sport we love - look at the response from a non-hunter and you'll see that !

[1eyedfish]

look at the response from a non-hunter and you'll see that !

It means nothing selcat.(1 person?)

Take 12 random non hunters decribe a normal hunt by your deffinitions & a canned one by the same, dont leave out the killing cuting up gory parts.'See what these non hunters then think.( will they go for either?)

As ussal your comparing ,uncaparables etc just by how your set it up.
Creative manipulaions - i see liberal media , othrs do it all the time.

Statical data, edited, to show facts that arent even facts then.

[James B]

I would say that canned hunts as you call them will have no effect on anti hunters at all. They are against all hunting and love to see hunters split over a STUPID subject like this. Any way to cause a split in the ranks of hunter and gun owners is just what the love to see. Anyone who does not approve of other methods of hunting or taking game legally does not have to participate in it and should leave it at that and leave those who wish to do so THE HELL ALONE.

[Big Country]

You are trying to justify your pens - I see that. But do NOT call something hunting when it isn't ar the expense of HUNTING to cover your a$s. I don't know if your place is canned or not - if it is it is, if it isn't, it isn't. But it cannot be both.

First...that may be the most impressive string of ifs, its, and is`s, that I have seen to date!

Second....I have no need whatever to justify my pens. They are completely legal, and moral.

its the canned hunting operations that destory the quality of what hunting is, not I.

OK, so high fences make free roaming animals dumber? How does this affect the quality of hunting?

Stealthy, I bet if we could look inside your head, your brain would look like a freeking kalidascope! I bet you confuse yourself on a regular basis!

[Zelazny]

I give up ! Ya'll don't get and might never get it until its way, way too late. Beth and the other 80% of the population will in coming years face ballots on legislation to ban "hunting" as they have been told "hunting" is. Hunting Preserves will be what they think hunting is and they'll ban it. Ya'll LET this happen by allowing preserves to continue to call what they offer hutning when it in no way IS.

If ya'll cannot see the impact canned hunting is having, then you're blind. News reports, hunters against hunters, an email that shows a non-hunters 100% against canned hunting ..... it all comes around fellows. Things do not exist and not affect other things.

Nobody in their right mind calls Tyson workers hunters when they clock in, no one shoots a dairy cow and claims a trophy kill and hunt and no one who goes to hunting preserves that offer up gauranteed canned hunts should either.


I cannot say it plainer that that.

ps- I know Big Country, you don't understand. You justify what you do and rationalize it away ... hopw you do someday though.

[Big Country]

an email that shows a non-hunters 100% against canned hunting

Thank`s in full to "your" definition of a canned hunt.

I know Big Country, you don't understand.

Ummm, ya, I do. And I am not the only one here trying to tell you that you are nuttier than a fruitcake!

[Dave590]

I have been trying to digest this thread AND the other one concerning this topic all day long.

Stealthycat, I have yet to figure out why you have such animosity towards this subject.

I've never been a very good shot with a shotgun, but I've been on two Quail "shoots" in Georgia. They cost a small fortune, but are great fun. To see a well trained dog do what well trained dogs "do" is more than worth the price. Shooting a bird is just an added bonus. Having that much fun is beyond words.

The attention to detail and instant friendship can only be compared to the military.

It's my opinion that you are taking what you "think" you know about canned hunts and turning it into "facts" in your own mind.

You are simply wrong.