Even though these questions are directed particularly to Hip.....they are for anyone else that would like to respond!
Let' s assume the ***anese never attacked Pearl Harbor, and that Germany did not declare war on the United States. Let' s also assume (and this would be a big assumption) that through reliable intelligence it became known that Nazi Germany had in place an institution for the systematic erradication of the Jews. (Or for that matter any of the other groups of " sub-humans" identified by the Nazi' s.) Now having assumed that let me ask these questions.
1. Would it have been a violation of " international law" for the United States to intervene and prosecute a war with Nazi Germany?
2. Would it have been morally acceptable to " stand by" and not prosecute a war?
3. When would it have been " appropriate" to initiate a war if that was required to end the genocide?
Now having given you some time to answer those...at least for yourself...consider this. (Oh, and by the way, no hypothethicals are required for the following.)
1. Why did the United States not " officially" intervene in China when we had incontravertible evidence of the ***anese attrocities? (At least not until after...Pearl Harbor.)
2. Did the United States intervene in Russia under Stalin?
3. Did the United States intervene in China under Moa?
4. Did the United States intervene in Cambodia under Pol Pot?
5. Did the United States intervene in the countries of the former Yugoslavia?
6. Was it moral to not intervene.....or intervene in any of those instances? If so, when and why did it become moral? (And let' s set aside the morality issue now that you' ve answered it....was it legal under existing " international law" ?)
7. If you can' t give logical or substanstial arguments in support to opinions to any of the above questions.....do you mind terribly if we just " assume" you do not like George W. Bush....and that you will find fault with every decision he makes?
8. If you have a better solution to the existing problem you inumerated in your original post....we...and the world...stand by waiting to hear it!
Thank you for your time.
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And before I forget, for all you nay sayers on the forum!
" It is not the critic who counts, not the man who points out how the strong man stumbled, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena; whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs and comes short again and again; who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, and spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows in the end the triumph of high achievement; and who, at worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory nor defeat." Teddy Roosevelt
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T.R.! How great it would be to have him back! Or Harry Truman, for that matter!!
I believe, in a way, G.W. is not too much different. He sets a goal, then dares to pursue it. I shudder to think where we would be today, had Algore been POTUS on 9/11/01!!
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I agree with you about AlGore! One of the few things I could conceive of that would be worse...would be Hillary. Al Gore may be a compulsive liar and a " stumbling idiot" (funny how some think that of Bush)....but I truly believe Hillary has " darker motives" . She is unabashedly self serving with an agenda that would most likely be truly irreparable. I shudder at the thought...........
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)....but I truly believe Hillary has " darker motives" . She is unabashedly self serving with an agenda that would most likely be truly irreparable. I shudder at the thought...........
That' s how she was able to continue stomaching Willie! They are so much alike!!
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If we would have defined the reason as being to halt the genocide of the Jews as a reason to invade Germany, then yes, it would have been the Christian thing to do.
Unlike Iraq, the reason given to invade was to stop the immediate threat of bio, chem, and nuclear attack. Since the reasons given have been proven false, this " war" was conducted outside Christian ethics, hence it is immoral.
Since 2000, 2 million black Christians have been killed and tortured in the Sudan. I favor using our military to liberate my Christian brothers, and Sisters from the dastardly torture of the Muslims in that Nation.
Sadly, Sudan doesn' t fit into GWB' s Globalist vision, so those people will just have to suffer. Colin Powell did remark that that situation was the greatest present tragedy on earth.
The administrations silence on the Sudan is deafening.
Thank you, in part, for strengthening my argument. I suppose no matter how we " choose" our battles....we will always have those that find fault! Look at Somalia. Many thought we had a " moral obligation" to intervene. But at the first sign of American deaths those same people shierked and hollered to get out. (We can' t have it both ways.) If we are to try to make a difference in the injustices of the world...it will come at a price.
There is however a significant difference between Sudan and Iraq. The people that launched the attack on 9/11.....had no support from Sudan or it' s government apparatus. I find it simply amazing that the same people that " believed the United Nations needed more time than the 12 years they had in their search for WMD....are finger pointing because the Armed Forces of the United States haven' t found them in less than one year?!? And we talk of disparities?
We ended apartheid in South Africa and were told that when it ended Africa' s problems would be solved. As we have seen....that has not been the case. The violence being perpetrated against black Africans...is being waged by black Africans. As a nation how will we solve that continents many problems? Short of " picking a side" and " killing others" we can' t resolve it' s problems. And you can be certain that whichever side we choose.....our critics will be quick to point out that we are violating the human rights of the opposition.
I do agree with you on an issue though.....it is quickly becoming apparent that whether many Americans, or the media, choose to admit it....that many Muslims world wide have already declared war on " western civilization" as we know it. And the balance of the Muslim world is deafening in its silence! That is a reality that we will either deal with now.....or there may be no later for western civilization!
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Good questions and quite thought provoking. Unfortunately if i tried to really answer them I would need infinite bandwidth.
I think most lefties simply have a problem with the choice of targets. It does seem rather strange at first as to why we chose Iraq which wasn' t involved in 9/11, but we would have had to deal with them eventually.
As the big dog on the block we constantly run a fine line as to what is acceptable in the " world' s" eye and what is not. The reason the United States is so vulnerable to criticism is that we still have a modicum of standards that we have to uphold.
Face it, most of the world and especially the liberals have NO STANDARDS therefore they cannot be held to uphold those standards. The U.S. does still have some therefore they will be called into question at all times.
" I find it simply amazing that the same people that " believed the United Nations needed more time than the 12 years they had in their search for WMD....are finger pointing because the Armed Forces of the United States haven' t found them in less than one year?!? And we talk of disparities? "
You are skirting the real issue. GWB said Iraq had the WMD in " stockpiles" , and he knew where, and would find if he could invade. In fact, he said that Iraq had SOO many WMD that it was imperitive to attack to end " his ability to wage war"
One year later, no " stockpiles" exist, not one single WMD can be found, and yet we still have people swearing to the lies.
Well.....what do you know?
