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Old 10-28-2003, 10:28 AM   #1
 
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ABC will air a special on Nov. 20 " that will prove once and for all that Oswald acted alone" .
I remember the time too well. and they might convince some people but I' ll never be convinced he acted alone or whether he even had anything to do with it except for being the fall guy.
Papers were sealed for 50 years and I hope I live long enough to read them.
No conspiracy, no sealing of the papers.

Oswald couldn' t have shot that well on his best day with that rifle.
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Old 10-28-2003, 12:32 PM   #2
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Puh. Who says he couldn' t shoot that well? He was a marine after all. The distance was rather short and the target was not moving ver fast. An experienced left handed shooter with a right handed bolt action can fire it amazingly fast if the forend is supported. Try it sometime, you' ll be amazed at how much faster it is to cycle the bolt than shooting it right handed.
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Anna and I went to Dallas a few years ago and toured the Book Repository and the entire area. I looked out the wundow adjacent to his shooting position. I read all the information there on the site and many other pieces writen to cover the incident as an investigation rather than a news story or human interest piece.
I personally have always believe that Oswald acted alone, but that doesn' t sell books, movies or strike out at authority. Many other will always believe in multiple shooters.
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Puh. Who says he couldn' t shoot that well? He was a marine after all.
Snore, tell me something that will impress me. Was he a prairie dog shooter?
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Old 10-28-2003, 01:47 PM   #5
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Explain to me how one bullet did what it supposedly did and didn' t mushroom after hitting bone.



Here is a photo of the bullet
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Old 10-28-2003, 01:51 PM   #6
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Here is some actual testimony.

http://www.jfk-info.com/fragment.htm
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CharlieP, an interesting thing happened in WI during the Deer season about four years ago.
A hunter was hit by a stay bullet in the back of his right shoulder, the bullet traveled around his collar bone down his arm and exited at his wrist I believe. They found it in his glove, like new. A soft nose bullet at that. The minute I read it in the anual report I thought about the disbelievers in the Oswald case.
I' ve been at dozens and dozens of shootings and bullets do strange things. You find them on the ground and lying on side walks and they look like they have never been fire except for the rifling marks.
I' ve shot a guy with 00 buck at 20 yards and had the 32 cal BB hit (6 of the 12) them sqaure in the side of the head and the travel around the skull, some exiting and others just lodging under the skin. And I had a squad partner take a 22cal in the arm pit that went off a few ribs and tore his heart dam near in half.
Bullets do strange and remarkable things.
As far a kennedy goes, we' ll never know for sure. There are belivers on both sides. Just no proof of a second shooter.
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Old 10-28-2003, 05:35 PM   #8
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The bullet used in the assassination was a military surplus 6.5mm carcano bullet. By Geneva (or was it Vienna get the two mixed up) convention, military bullets need to be fmj non-expanding bullets- they do not mushroom like a typical hunting bullet. Working within the bounds of the rules, modern militaries have figured out how to get bulets to destabilize when they hit targets to do the maximim damage without expanding bullets. The ***anese used a 6.5 mm cartridge up to WWII but discarded it in favor of a .30 caliber bullet because the 6.5mm bullet tended to zip right through carcasses without tumbling causing less than desirable damage.
Another neat thing about the 6.5 mm bullets, especially the older style of round nosed bullets, is that they have an extremely high sectional density meaning their shape is long and cylindrical shaped versus bullets with a lower sectional density. A slower moving 6.5mm bullet will outpenetrate a similar weight .30 bullet fired from a 30-06 or 8x57, or 5.54x45 etc. There was a famous hunter- I cannot remember his name, who has taken every species of big game in Africa with a 7x57 which is a pretty mild cartridge by todays standards- he would have tried a 6.5 mm cartridge on elephants as it has plenty of penetration to go through an elephant' s skull, but was afraid the long bullet would bend in half.

As far as the ' magic bullet' effect- it doesn' t take much to make a bullet change direction. Hunters have known for a long time that a bit of grass or a twig is enough to destabilize and/or deflect a bullet. One of the bullets in the assassination attempt, entered, exited, and reentered a few different types of medium, easily causing deflections every time. Combine that with the incredible penetration potential of a 6.5 mm bullet and you have your magic bullet explained.

As Logs mentioned, bullets do funny and unpredictable things. My grandfather told me of a German wehrmacht veteran who lived in my town who was hit in on ear with a bullet, the bullet travelled along the inside curve of his jerry helmet, and came back out the front clipping off his other ear on the way.


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Old 10-28-2003, 08:30 PM   #9
 
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For what logical reason were the records sealed for 50 years?
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Old 10-28-2003, 08:50 PM   #10
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Magic Bullets, hmmmm, I wouldn' t have believed in that except for the fact that last Thursday I shot a doe high in the back and blew her spine out (300 mag, 150 yards, broadside) while skinning her out I cut my finger on the bullet that was lodged about 4" above her knee in her hind leg. I' m still trying to figure that one out
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