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Old 10-21-2003, 12:01 PM   #1
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FDA report due on cloning
Questions center on consumption of meat and milk
By Alice Dembner, Globe Staff, 10/21/2003

Across the country, companies have cloned at least 100 prize cattle that are beginning to produce offspring that farmers hope will generate the meat and milk of the future. But will they make it to Americans' tables?

As early as this week, the Food and Drug Administration is expected to take the first step in determining whether to allow food from cloned livestock to be sold. The FDA will issue a preliminary report on the potential hazards of the controversial technology, and officials declined yesterday to forecast their findings. But after three years of research, most signs point to a conclusion that there is no difference between food from cloned animals and normally bred animals.

" The only data we' ve seen seem to suggest that the products of cloned animals are essentially indistinguishable from their conventionally bred counterparts," said Michael Fernandez, director of science for the Pew Institute of Food and Biotechnology, an independent agency that has been helping the FDA review the issue.

But others question whether such a hot-button decision should be made purely on science. Seven years after scientists cloned Dolly the sheep, the controversy over whether cloning has a place in society -- let alone on the dinner table -- remains unresolved.

" There are social, ethical, and religious issues involved," said Carol Tucker Foreman, director of food policy for the Consumer Federation of America. " What' s the purpose of it? Is is worth altering the basic nature of these animals just to make more milk? We have a surplus of milk. . . . Is it worth it to make beef that is tender?"

The FDA report will address only animals that are direct copies of their parents, or clones. It is scheduled to be discussed by a committee of scientific advisers on Nov. 4, but a final policy is not expected for another year. Following that decision, the FDA will take up the issue of transgenic animals, whose genetic makeup has been altered to improve their taste or disease resistance. Genetically modified crops such as corn and soybeans are already part of the food supply.

Cyagra, a Worcester biotechnology company that says it has cloned more than 100 cattle for farmers and ranchers, is among those with the most at stake in the decision. So far, farmers have voluntarily kept any products from the cows off the market at the FDA' s request. At least two other companies have also been cloning cows since the late 1990s.

" We feel there' s a future in it," said Cyagra marketing manager Steve Mower.

Ranchers and farmers see cloning as another tool to build better herds. In Oklahoma, a rancher has cloned a prize bull with the goal of eventually selling more of his sperm. A Maryland farmer has cloned a top milk-producing Holstein. Scientists also envision cloning animals that show hearty disease resistance. While cattle have been the main focus, scientists are also cloning pigs, goats, and sheep.

Some of the cattle clones are now old enough to bear offspring themselves. And farmers are looking to the offspring, rather than the clones, to produce milk and meat since the clones are too expensive to sacrifice.

The cloning process starts with a tissue sample from the ear of a valued cow or bull. Scientists extract the DNA from the tissue and insert it into a cow egg that has been stripped of its own DNA. The egg is stimulated until it begins to divide and grow into an embryo, and the embryo is implanted in a cow. If all goes well, a calf will be born about nine months later. Cyagra charges $19,000 per clone, according to its website.

Typically, few embryos make it to full-grown fetuses and many of the clones show signs of heart or lung trouble. But so far, tests of meat and milk from the clones, presented at an FDA-sponsored symposium last year, showed no problems. In addition, a report last year from the National Research Council, an arm of the National Academies that advise the government on science, found no evidence of food safety problems. The council report, however, advised the FDA to conduct more detailed analysis of the cloned food and to assess the potential environmental impact of mixing cloned animals with wild animals.

Mower said Cyagra offered to do some additional testing for the FDA and presented data on levels of hormones and other substances in the blood that he said showed no difference from other cattle.

Kevin Eggan, a research fellow at Harvard who specializes in cloning, said there' s no evidence of any danger to the food supply despite the fact that some clones such as Dolly showed signs of premature aging.

" The abnormalities that we see in cloned animals are not present in their offspring," he said. " There' s good reason to believe eating the offspring would be fine."

Alice Dembner can be reached at dembner@globe.com.
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Old 10-21-2003, 12:03 PM   #2
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First off I will say that cloning scares the hell out of me. Maybe I' m just a science weenie, but I don' t think it right and I don' t want any of it on my table.

But how can this be cost effective anyway? Are they cloning 12,000# cows or something?
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Old 10-22-2003, 06:46 AM   #3
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Jorgy ,
you' re already eating " frankenfood" , most of the soy and corn on the market today is genetically modified . Cloning is little different from selective breeding , and could solve a lot of problems for future generations . Many of the plant products you consume are grown from " cloned" stock already . The only way you can avoid it is to grow all of your own food .

Are you that motivated ?
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Old 10-22-2003, 12:09 PM   #4
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you' re already eating " frankenfood" , most of the soy and corn on the market today is genetically modified . Cloning is little different from selective breeding , and could solve a lot of problems for future generations . Many of the plant products you consume are grown from " cloned" stock already . The only way you can avoid it is to grow all of your own food .

Are you that motivated ?
I know that alot of the plants that I eat have been " genetically modified" and I accept that, but I think this is different than cloned animals. I guess I am a science weenie. When you say that cloning can solve problems for our future generations, what prolems will this solve? Finding that one cow that is really nice and tastey and cloning it over and over, how does this help?

Personally, I accept the fact that animals change over time with the enviroment, this won' t be possible with cloning. Isn' t it possible that taken to the extreme that cloning can severly alter our food source that we eat.

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Old 10-22-2003, 12:10 PM   #5
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Oh yeah, no, I am not motivated enough to grow all of my own food. I wish that I could. My back yard isn' t big enough, and my dog would ruin it all anyway. I do prefer to eat meat that I havest myself though, knowing that it is natural and not pumped full of crap that shouldn' t be there
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Old 10-22-2003, 05:46 PM   #6
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Jorgy ,
granted cloned cows don' t evolve anymore , but I' m pretty sure that they' ve peaked in that department already . Besides , outside of India the average cow only lives 6 months , and goes through " speed evolution" through selective breeding .

You can accept cloned plants but not animals ? Both are living things , where are you drawing the line there ? Cloning an animal with desirable characteristics doen' t mean creating a 12,000# cow , you couldn' t afford to feed it , and it would starve to death anyway because it couldn' t consume enough food to support it' s body mass . Not cost effective . But if you bred a cow that produced more meat on less feed cloning such a specimen would be well worth it . Or let' s say you bred one that got market size in 3 months on half the feed normally required , imagine the boon that would be to the world' s hungry if that one became millions through cloning .

I would personally object to " designer" human children , but having an inexhaustible source of cheap rejection free organs has great appeal to me . Picture living it up all your life and having disease free organs cloned from your own body on demand as you need them when your excesses catch up . This is technically possible right now , but people' s fear and ignorance , as usual , holds up this attainable miracle .

Cloning has enormous potential if we look past our fear and make sure that it isn' t used improperly . I' d reccomend that you read up on cloning a little more to see what it can really do , and not do , before slamming the door on it . You may find that your impression of it could be just a bit hasty .
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Old 10-28-2003, 02:26 PM   #7
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All I can add to this is that part of the aging process involves the changing
of your genetic material. Example would be the striping of end condones in
protein synthesis. Also the random allele, gene drift, crossing over, etc. etc.. If you clone old genetics, you get just that, a prematurely
old clone. Look at the longevity of Dolly. She started showing elderly
complications prematurely. I have read other studies of cattle cloning that
had similar results. I just wonder if they are going to get what they are
hoping for.


Now as for plants, other than transgenetics, the genetic modifications have
been through crosses. It is much easier to reach a F1 and F2 generation
with plants. Animals are a little harder to work with.
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Old 10-29-2003, 06:20 AM   #8
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Cloning has enormous potential if we look past our fear and make sure that it isn' t used improperly .


I wonder if something similar was said when we " discovered " the " Atom"
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I' m sure the day will come where cloning will be " the norm" . I just pray to god I' m no longer around to see it.
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The cellular breakdown between plants and animals when they die are almost identical. So killing therefore becomes the same wether it is the meat side or the veggie side. Same same to me. Cloned plant or cloned meat.
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