Hippies or unethicals/Pochers; whose worse

stuckinthereeds · 10-02-2003, 01:36 PM

So I bumped into a fu**** hippie today. The first thing he says to me is so how do you enjoy raping the land of all is natural wonder? Or something to that affect. First I asked him if he really wanted to get into this. He told me he got this view from the media and from the pochers and unethical hunters.

So, who can' t you stand more?

And while I' m at it, I am always looking for more ammo to defend myself with. How do you explain hunting to the anti' s and the people who have the wrong image of us?

Jorgy · 10-02-2003, 01:40 PM

Personally, I hate poachers the most, and I don' t defend myself against people like you ran into.

burniegoeasily · 10-03-2003, 10:40 AM

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So I bumped into a fu**** hippie today

I might be confused
about what a hippie is. My older brother, who raised me, was a hippie. He
was also the one who taught me how to hunt. I was taught, you eat what you
kill and only kill what you eat. Respect the land, dont rape it.

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So, who can' t you stand more?

Peta by far. But in reference to your question, Poachers. Poachers make all ethical hunters look bad.

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And while I' m at it, I am always looking for more ammo to defend
myself with. How do you explain hunting to the anti' s and the people who
have the wrong image of us?

I simply explain the dynamics of nature.
It is a system of checks and balances. I explain the role humans play as a
predator. I also compare the high density meat market, where animals live
in their own deification until slaughtered. Then explain how a deer lives;
free, happy, until the one unknown shot that expires them. You can also
throw in how the hunters were the first environmentalist.

It doesnt matter how much logic you put into it, a tree hugger has already
made up their mind.

hntngirl · 10-03-2003, 10:52 AM

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I might be confused about what a hippie is. My older brother, who raised me, was a hippie. He was also the one who taught me how to hunt.

I think of tree-huggers and hippies as two completely different types of people. I know alot of old hippies who hunt.
Maybe there is a difference between the older, real hippies and the wannabe hippies you see today? I think maybe they' re really just tree-huggers who have pirated the title of " Hippie" . Very sad. They should be pummelled.[>:]

summit daWg · 10-04-2003, 12:01 AM

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] First, some people might have described ME as a hippie.
[:-]Second,I have no use for unethical people.

And third-I despise poachers.................and [&:]peta [&:]types!!

James B · 10-04-2003, 01:15 AM

I think you are right on the money huntin girl. To defend yourself from the Anti' s, Tell them you hunt for your food so those who who are not smart enough to do so can have whats in the store. You are saving thier life.[:-]

Rogue · 10-04-2003, 01:48 AM

The first thing that you should do is arm your self. Not with firearms but with information.

If I have a borderline animal rights activist in front of me the first thing i do is hit them with facts, tell them to get informed.

The pittman-robertson act is a great place to start it has all the facts on how sportsmen have brought species like the pronghorn antelope and the wild turkey back from near extinction.

Another great source is a book called " IN DEFENSE OF HUNTING" by James A. Swan, this is a fantastic book that will give alot of insight to how these organizations indoctrinate people, it also gives a little insight on why we as hunters would rather be freezing our tails off in a treestand rather than sipping java at the local espresso bar.

This site also has alot of info on how the land and its resources are managed.

Oh and poachers they should have there vehicles,rifles,bows,hunting rights and anything else of value taken away, maybe have their legs broken and left in the wilderness that they had decided to abuse.

Rember dont defend, just inform, most intelligent people confronted with facts may not agree but will understand.

James B · 10-04-2003, 09:02 AM

After thinking this over I have to add another thought about poachers. To me a lot depends on why they are doing it. Although this is the land of plenty there are those who are left behind. I would never fault a man who is hungry for taking an animal for food. I have been there and done that. Back when I first got married if it had not been for deer meat and home made bread and buns, we would have starved. This however is the only exception I can see. Other than that I feel the same way about game thieves.

POC · 10-04-2003, 01:44 PM

I think all hunters should consider themselves " tree huggers" and environmentalists. Its ya' ll who spend most of the money to preserve our wild lands. I don' t hunt animals for harvest, I have enough friends to supply me with vension, but I also pay P-R tax.

I just bought a Remington 870 pump action shot gun for home protection, which has nothing to do with this thread. I' m still wavering over what kind of shot I should use. Even though I' m proficient with my 9mm semi-automatic handgun and .22 rifle, my friends from the police STRONGLY recommended a shotgun for home safety. I can understand why, now.

Don' t discount the enviro folks. The Nature Conservancy, Audubon, Sierra Club have no anti hunting statements in their mission statements. Also, HSUS is not opposed to hunting for food, no matter what Wayne Pacelle said 20+ years ago. He' s a grownup now even though he still looks like a Ken Doll.

POC

usa · 10-06-2003, 12:28 AM

Man we toss that hate word around pretty loosely, I have a bad temper and yet I' ve never hated anyone, there' s a lot of other adjectives that I use but, hate isn' t one of them. If I truly hated someone then I would have to kill them, there wouldn' t be room on the planet for both of us! As previous posters have said , if their mind is made up then you can talk till you' re blue in the face and it won' t matter all you will do is reenforce what they already believe.However if you come at them from a different angle and don' t project hostility then you have a chance to at least open their mind' s.I believe that the mistake we make is trying to out debate them,I' ve found that by saying , that' s an interesting opinion, what makes you say that? They tend to believe that maybe you are not as commited as they are and maybe the can convert you. Then when you have a good conversation going you can carefully pick apart their beliefs and myths, most I' ve come into contact with are city people that are filled with propaganda by ignorant anti' s on a mission. I can' t count how many audults and kid' s that I have asked , where on the animal do you suppose that steak came from? their answer is almost alway' s one of shock or disbelieve that their meat comes from a formerly living animal, many have said, stop , don' t tell me anymore ! I then explain that I harvest my own meat as humanely as possible, and if I' m not crafty enough the animal gets away and lives, an option that their dinner does' nt have.Until we prove differently we are their enemy and it' s much easier to despise us than to intelligently understand us. We don' t have to convert them , just give them enough choices so instead of being an anti , they join the 80% that really don' t have an unfavorable opinion unless we provide them with one! As far as hippie' s go , I tend to not paint them all with a broad brush, being a hippy doesn' t alway' s mean they are anti hunting, just anti society. Poacher' s? that' s a whole other topic, but I would be interested in what constitutes poaching ? The guy that kill' s an animal cut' s off the horn' s and leave' s the meat, is he a poacher even though he is a licenced hunter hunting in season? or the road shooter or the guy who fills everybody in camps tag or the guy who shoot' sthe deer then goe' s home to pick up a family member with a tag so that he can continue hunting? Sometime' s we leave our ethic' s in the truck.