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Old 07-14-2013, 10:34 AM   #31
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Profiling is like masturbation. Everybody does it, but you're not supposed to talk about it.
Also, the principle of profiling is used in many different ways. Some people may restrict this term to racial profiling, but it is related to more general behavior such as stereotyping and other stuff more general still than that.

It's 5 PM on a weekday. My past experience leads me to believe the major highway running past my office building will be clogged with cars. In fact, for some odd reason maybe the road WON'T be clogged.

I plan to go out of town with my wife. We agree that we will leave at 8 AM. My past experience leads me to believe that my wife will be ready late and we won't leave until at least 8:30 AM or more likely 9 AM. In fact, for some odd reason she might be ready ON TIME!!!

We make projections based on experience and knowledge of what is uncertain and indeterminable. What would our effectiveness as adults be if we could not resort to this use of our brains.
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Old 07-14-2013, 10:41 AM   #32
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I would love to know how much truth is in these articles.

http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2013/07/10...rtin-protests/

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Judicial Watch filed a Freedom of Information Act request with the DOJ on April 24, 2012. According to the documents JW received, a little-known DOJ unit called the Community Relations Service deployed to Sanford, FL, to organize and manage rallies against Zimmerman.
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“These documents detail the extraordinary intervention by the Justice Department in the pressure campaign leading to the prosecution of George Zimmerman,” said Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton. “My guess is that most Americans would rightly object to taxpayers paying government employees to help organize racially-charged demonstrations.”
Why are our tax dollars going to support these racially motivated actions?

http://pjmedia.com/blog/disorder-jud...ning-evidence/

It appears he is not the little defenseless angel that the MSM would like us all to believe.

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The forensic expert testified that he recovered multiple conversations between Trayvon Martin and specific family members and friends discussing multi-round street fights and schoolyard fights in which Trayvon Martin had participated. Martin’s half-brother, Demetrius Martin, even asked Trayvon when he would teach him how to fight. Trayvon Martin’s family appeared to know Trayvon was a street fighter.
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Most troubling, Conner found multiple conversations — between four and six — where Trayvon discussed attempting to buy black-market guns.

The guns Martin discussed acquiring included a Smith & Wesson Sigma pistol and a .38 Special revolver. One conversation showed Martin trying to sell a .22 revolver, suggesting he was already in possession of it.

One of the participants in one of the gun conversations was a Fulton, possibly a relative on his mother’s side. All of these conversations took place immediately in the days and weeks before Trayvon Martin left Miami for Sanford.
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The state hid this evidence until right before the beginning of the trial, when the prosecution’s Wesley White came forward to present testimony that the state was hiding and may have destroyed evidence. The defense has had no time to recover this data and to depose every witness.

Whats next??? Fire someone who found MORE potential evidence and testified?

Yep you got it........FIRED!!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...one-fired.html

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Concerned that attorneys did not have all the information they needed to prepare the case, he said, he reported his concerns to a State Attorney's Office investigator and later to prosecutor Bernie de la Rionda.

Kruidbos said he generated a report that was more than three times the size of the one that had been handed over.
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Old 07-14-2013, 11:56 AM   #33
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Why are our tax dollars going to support these racially motivated actions?



Because you have a racist black president running this country and a racist black attorney general running the DOJ....
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Old 07-14-2013, 12:13 PM   #34
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Originally Posted by sachiko
Profiling is like masturbation. Everybody does it, but you're not supposed to talk about it.

I understand what you're trying to say although you're stating it in crude and vulgar terms. Everybody does profile to some extent although not necessarily racially profile which was publicly discussed about in this case.

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Also, the principle of profiling is used in many different ways. Some people may restrict this term to racial profiling, but it is related to more general behavior such as stereotyping and other stuff more general still than that.

It's 5 PM on a weekday. My past experience leads me to believe the major highway running past my office building will be clogged with cars. In fact, for some odd reason maybe the road WON'T be clogged.

I plan to go out of town with my wife. We agree that we will leave at 8 AM. My past experience leads me to believe that my wife will be ready late and we won't leave until at least 8:30 AM or more likely 9 AM. In fact, for some odd reason she might be ready ON TIME!!!

We make projections based on experience and knowledge of what is uncertain and indeterminable. What would our effectiveness as adults be if we could not resort to this use of our brains.
You are exactly right in your above comments. Profiling in its' basic sense is pattern recognition and then extrapolating a conclusion or theory, etc. from that pattern. Some additional examples would be:

1. You're deer hunting and see fresh deer tracks, fresh deer scat, bushes freshly eaten, etc. You consider this "pattern" and conclude there is a decent chance that there are deer in this area.

2. A Doctor asks you a series of questions about what problems/symptoms, etc. you are having. From the "pattern" of information you give the doctor, he/she diagnoses what your likely problem is and investigates with further tests to see if he/she can confirm that problem and hopefully cure it.

3. A cop is working in an apartment area that has a lot of car burglaries and thefts. The cop notices some parked cars at the side of the road have their dome lights on which happens when a car door isn't shut all the way. The cop then sees a person carrying a slim jim (car lockout tool) duck behind a car and attempt to hide from the cop. The person ducking was also wearing dark clothing and a dark colored ski mask. When the cop approaches the car, the person takes off running and ducks behind another car. The cop calls for backup and as cops search the area for the person who fled, they discover several cars that are unlocked with doors not shut all the way and their dome lights on. The cops contact the car owners who live in the apartments and the owners confirm that small items have been stolen from their cars. As you might guess, the cops are profiling in this situation and would likely be proven correct if they catch the person who fled on foot.

4. You are flying on an airline and the TSA security person is asking you questions about if the bag you're carrying is yours, if you've left it unattended recently and general questions about where you're coming from, where you're going, etc. It's annoying and seems pretty stupid. You get a little testy and answer the questions quickly but with irritation. The TSA officer then thanks you (probably not but I wanted this to sound professional) and leaves you alone. If you had hesitated in your answers or not known where you were going (who really pays all that money for an airline ticket to fly no where in particular), TSA would have likely detained you further since these actions are what they would expect from some terrorist and they would want to check things further, like a doctor ordering more tests. TSA may or ma not be right (they do have a poor track record) but that would be another example of profiling.

All of the above examples of profiling (each of you could suggest numerous other examples) were given without using race. Not all profiling uses race. Even when race is used, it is only one single item in a profile that would arguably need more items to be useful or valid. Simply assuming an entire race of people are all guilty of something is stupid and an utter waste of one's time.

Profiling is a serious issue and continues to be one in part due to a lazy media who lump all profiling together as though it's all somehow "racial." From just a reporting of the facts perspective, the media is guilty of omitting a lot of pertinent information on the subject and abjectly failed in their duty. From an opinion perspective, the media is essentially guilty of race baiting for ratings and has again utterly failed in their duty. If it was just the media, this problem might be surmountable but it's not. Congress, state legislatures, public opinion and discussion, etc. have largely also failed in this aspect as "profiling" remains largely a term about racial profiling which leaves out the vast majority of life that does not involve race.
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Old 07-14-2013, 12:43 PM   #35
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Of course now the Democrats and the racist org NAACP are demanding Holder bring him up p on civil rights charges. However, they forget Holder already sent his boys down there to look into this after the news media made up their story. The reported back no civil rights were violated. Then again, why would laws prevent this administration from moving forward?
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Funny how KING obama...holder and the NAACP don't care about all the killings in Chicago .....don't they care about the civil rights of blacks in Chicago ......
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Ouch....somebody just got spanked!
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Old 07-14-2013, 02:03 PM   #38
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I would love to know how much truth is in these articles.
Take it to the bank: Judcial Watch is above reproach. This particular action by the DOJ is as scummy as it gets. The ultra-liberal blissninnies of the media never bothered with this stuff.


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On April 15, 2012, during the height of the protests, the Orlando Sentinelreported, “They [the CRS] helped set up a meeting between the local NAACP and elected officials that led to the temporary resignation of police Chief Bill Lee according to Turner Clayton, Seminole County chapter president of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People.” The paper quoted the Rev. Valarie Houston, pastor of Allen Chapel AME Church, a focal point for protestors, as saying “They were there for us,” after a March 20 meeting with CRS agents.

Separately, in response to a Florida Sunshine Law request to the City of Sanford, Judicial Watch also obtained an audio recording of a “community meeting” held at Second Shiloh Missionary Baptist Church in Sanford on April 19, 2012. The meeting, which led to the ouster of Sanford’s Police Chief Bill Lee, was scheduled after a group of college students calling themselves the “Dream Defenders” barricaded the entrance to the police department demanding Lee be fired. According to the Orlando Sentinel, DOJ employees with the CRS had arranged a 40-mile police escort for the students from Daytona Beach to Sanford.

“These documents detail the extraordinary intervention by the Justice Department in the pressure campaign leading to the prosecution of George Zimmerman,” said Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton. “My guess is that most Americans would rightly object to taxpayers paying government employees to help organize racially-charged demonstrations.”




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Old 07-14-2013, 02:12 PM   #39
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Sad thing is that if Travon had been killed in a drive-by no one would even know his name.
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Of course now the Democrats and the racist org NAACP are demanding Holder bring him up p on civil rights charges. However, they forget Holder already sent his boys down there to look into this after the news media made up their story. The reported back no civil rights were violated. Then again, why would laws prevent this administration from moving forward?
I think this is just brave talk. I agree, there is a lot of it going on. I read that Harry Reid made a public statement that he is requesting the Justice Department to prosecute Zimmerman.

I say it is just bravado because there are stakes involved. The case against Zimmerman ISN'T there. Why would the Justice Department want to go and step into that manure pile of the ginned up prosecution against Zimmerman? This isn't over is right . . . there will be charges against the prosecutor's office and/or the prosecutor for false arrest and other malfeasance. I think the feds would be singularly wise if they took a pass on this.

If they go into this with both feet -- as they seem to do -- they run grave risks of people piecing together a bunch of similar behaviors by the Obama administration. It won't fly, and they will end up looking very bad for making the attempt.
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