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Old 09-11-2003, 08:06 AM   #1
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http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...ennewick_man_2


Skeleton Case Challeges ' Native American'
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By WILLIAM McCALL, Associated Press Writer

PORTLAND, Ore. - With both sides clashing over the definition of " Native American," an appeals court heard arguments Wednesday on whether a 9,300-year-old skeleton known as Kennewick Man belongs to scientists or Indian tribes.


The Interior Department has been fighting with scientists over control of the bones since they were discovered in 1996 along the banks of the Columbia River near Kennewick, Wash.


Anthropologists want to do research on the skeleton. But then-Interior Secretary Bruce Babbitt ruled three years ago the bones should be handed over to the tribes for reburial. Last October, U.S. Magistrate John Jelderks overturned Babbitt and approved research on the bones.


Jelderks agreed with arguments by scientists who said there was no direct link between the skeleton and modern tribes.


The government and the tribes appealed, and argued their case on Wednesday before a three-judge panel of the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals (news - web sites).


The definition of " Native American" is at issue because of differing interpretations of a 1990 federal law aimed at returning Indian remains to tribes and discouraging illegal trafficking in bones or artifacts taken from burial sites.


The law defines Native American as someone " indigenous to the United States."


Judge Susan Graber asked whether the definition could cover any bones found in North America that were so old they rivaled the age of ancient fossils.


" Yes, they would be considered Native American," said Ellen Durkee, a Justice Department (news - web sites) attorney representing the Interior Department.


But Paula Barran, attorney for the scientists, argued that Congress in its definition did not intend to include people who lived that long ago.


She said the law was not intended to block scientific research to determine how ancient settlers arrived in North America.


Kennewick Man drew scientific interest because it is one of the oldest, most complete skeletons found in North America, with characteristics unlike modern Indians.


In his ruling last October, Jelderks said the term " Native American" requires " a cultural relationship" with a modern tribe to qualify under the 1990 law. He said his review of court documents, including scientific reports, produced no evidence to support any cultural link between Kennewick Man and the Northwest tribes seeking reburial.


The appeals court is not expected to rule until next year. Attorneys for both sides said they expect further appeals whatever the ruling.





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Old 09-11-2003, 08:42 AM   #2
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[>:]I' M a native American for pete' s sake! I was born right here in the USA, same as every tribal member! I am SO tired of the tribes calling dibs on everything. Who' s to say one of the ' native american' tribes didn' t leave some other continent, climb into a boat, land on the beach up in Washington, and proceed to kick the butts of the " Kennewick" civilization, eventually killing them all? Maybe someone should try and file a lawsuit on behalf of Kennewick man. Think of the losses he has suffered...not to mention all the decendants he will now never have! If any surviving decendants can be found, they should be entitled to free housing, free food, free legal services, extra hunting and fishing...and heck, let' s let them pick something illegal in the state, say, gambling, and give them the right to organize it and make money off it! Yeah! This will enable them to send quarterly checks to their members so that they can live just comfortably enough to get by with being bums. And when those numbers start to dwindle and their voting pool needs plumping up, just make sure they know it' s okay to continue to drop their blood percentage requirements even lower. Heck, anyone who can register at 1/16th deserves to have it all too![:@][:@][:@]
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Old 09-11-2003, 08:51 AM   #3
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Maybe someone should try and file a lawsuit on behalf of Kennewick man.
They did, all they want is the remains to further study. They' re being " hidden" .
This was done by Babbit during the clinton administration under the covers.

Problem is, when certain groups risk losing their victim status, they get a bit peeved. This is of course a generalization.
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sounds like something similar here , in my area there is an native american tribe sueing to get recognized in pennsylvania so they can reclaim land they say is thiers originally ( they claim to have had it taken from them illegally , they have no records to prove it that i know of ) . but the reason they want it back is PA is considering legallizing gambling , and they want to put up a casino on the land , this land has a housing development on it containing almost a hundred homes , and also houses the binney and smith crayola crayon factory. they say they don' t want the crayon factory but , what about all of the people that would lose thier homes. and they have no written records to prove it was thiers originally ( that i' m aware of , from the newspaper )
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Old 09-11-2003, 08:00 PM   #5
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but the reason they want it back is PA is considering legallizing gambling ,
The American Indians sullied themselves when they went for the " brass ring" .

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Old 09-11-2003, 09:45 PM   #6
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i think that maybe my long lost uncle where do i claim the body????????
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