Wow, so it really comes down to the fact that you are a homophobe doesn't it?
You also are quite full of crap about your summation of public schools that, "Most have a graduation rate of less than 50%" but delightfully stubborn "I refuse to see the fact that public schools are anything other than a failure."
Not one thing that you have argued has come from anyplace other than fear and anger. Fear of what (other than homosexuals) I'm not exactly sure. But keep your eyes and ears shut as tightly as you can Mr. Bergall, you wouldn't want a tiny shred of enlightenment to enter your brain.
Well, this was fun guys. Kind of like stealthycat, you could show him a red barn, but he would insist that it was green.
So seeing as ignorance continues to grace these pages, homophobia, bigotry, ect. I think I'll slide back over to my other hunting forum. Politics are discussed, but no one is close to being the close-minded jerk as bergall. He apparently has zero education of any kind.
Wow, so it really comes down to the fact that you are a homophobe doesn't it?
and you must be a homophile ? Seems to me that I'd vote to keep my kids sheltered from the horrors and depravity of a lifestyle condemned in the bible. Sorry if you're too dim to see that. I guess 'educated' <> "smart".
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You also are quite full of crap about your summation of public schools that, "Most have a graduation rate of less than 50%" but delightfully stubborn "I refuse to see the fact that public schools are anything other than a failure."
rather, the crap is on your face, not mine. I posted the links...you posted nothing. Everything I quoted and linked supports the failure of the public schools you are too stupid to see. You must be a public school graduate....
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Not one thing that you have argued has come from anyplace other than fear and anger. Fear of what (other than homosexuals) I'm not exactly sure. But keep your eyes and ears shut as tightly as you can Mr. Bergall, you wouldn't want a tiny shred of enlightenment to enter your brain.
Go back and read my links, zippy. I have supporting docs which you have yet to post or even allude to, other than pulling fantasy out your butt and presenting as if it was God's own truth. Typical crapbag lib. Go back to propagandizing your students who will need to endure your idiocy to get a diploma....
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Well, this was fun guys. Kind of like stealthycat, you could show him a red barn, but he would insist that it was green.
So seeing as ignorance continues to grace these pages, homophobia, bigotry, ect. I think I'll slide back over to my other hunting forum. Politics are discussed, but no one is close to being the close-minded jerk as bergall. He apparently has zero education of any kind.
Goodbye idiot. You libs typically retreat with your tails between your legs when you're defeated like a whipped dog. Is that whimpering I hear ? HAhahahaha.... Go away now, and don't forget to wipe, lest you roostertail your tidy whities. As far as MY education is concerned, I look at it this way...you were just taken out to the woodshed and intellectually spanked by someone you consider your mental inferior. I suggest you re-evaluate your knowledge base because you're just another liberal ahole to me....
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Burnie, I believe almost every educator and administrator in the country would agree with you about NCLB, just as they did before it was implimented. President Bush made a big mistake with that one, and it has hurt schools, teachers and children. Much of the foundation and financials of education have fallen backwards due to NCLB.
I have taught every science high schools offer, as well as some Juco classes and college microbiology. I have been the science dept. head for over 15 years now. Ever since NCLB, I have seen a watering down of materials to meet the masses. Especially in the higher level science classes. It turned into meeting the lowest common denominator instead of a push for the top.
I'm curious about the differences in union vs. non-union education? I'm in a non-union setting, but my pay and benefits are higher than if I was in a similar role in a unionized college, at least in my part of the world. I'm wondering if you think I am a better or a worse at instructing my students because of it? Were the professors that taught me (union) and helped me to get where I am better or worse because of their union affiliation?
To be honest, I can only go by what I have read and what my friends, who have taught in union schools, have told me. What I see as the difference is; Union schools are forced to keep crap tenured teachers. I recall many stories of NY teachers, convicted of sex crimes, allowed to keep their jobs but not allowed to be around kids. I have posted many of these stories here on this site. Because of the union demands on tenure, schools have to set these pervert teachers up offices, off campus, and pay them their full salaries. Also, union teachers are not evaluated on abilities, and cannot be released from duty for poor performance, provided they meet tenure. Tenure in a union school can be as little as two years experience. I have a friend who is a principal in a unionized school. He has tried many times to fire teachers who do not teach, but cannot because of the union protection. In other words, unions enable crap/lazy teachers to keep their job at the expense of the kids’ education. Also, I do not like the idea of unions using kids as pawns for their beanies. The cost of education is higher, in union schools, due to the union demands (again, the notion of a public union negotiating with a third party, instead of the boss, the tax payer.) It really chaps my hide to hear of teachers striking. If an educator goes into educating for money, they are in it for the wrong reason.
oh, and just because I feel like saying it...Slick Tricks rock and Rage stinks! Wheew, needed to get that off my chest!
Lol, thats pretty good.
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Berg scared of gays? Lol! Disgusted, repulsed, nauseated...probably, but scared? That's funny right there, I don't care who you are...
Someone mentioned on another thread about how they "don't hurt anyone". That is patently false.
I happened to attend a function recently with 3 retired policemen. One of their "war stories" (they had tons of very interesting adventures, ranging from prostitutes to drug addicts to murderers) had to do with a regular "sting" operation they had to perform at a local PARK. I say again...a local PARK!
The problem was homosexuals using the park as a meeting place--generally total strangers. The "signal" was to tap their brakes when passing through, to let others know they were "availible"...then they would proceed to engage in their foul acts right in front of the kids playing there.
That was in a totally different state than the one I live in, but I've heard the same story time and time again. There was a park in Tupelo where, until law enforcement cleaned it up, the locals knew you did NOT let your kids anywhere near the place after sundown---and if you were a straight male, you didn't go anywhere near there either. There's been sting operations on the Natchez Trace Parkway (look the place up), where tons of families visit the historical sites that line it from Jackson, MS to Nashville, TN. What kind of sting operations? Men meeting strange men in the bathrooms along the trace...but I guess that's "harmless" even when it happens in front of small children?
Yeah, right...two men getting it on in front of little kids is as natural as flowers blooming....I can't fathom how some would actually agree with that...sick, sad, downright pitiful individuals....
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Almost forgot...I've NEVER, EVER heard of similar sting operations concerning heterosexuals...reckon why that is?
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Berg scared of gays? Lol! Disgusted, repulsed, nauseated...probably, but scared? That's funny right there, I don't care who you are...
Someone mentioned on another thread about how they "don't hurt anyone". That is patently false.
I happened to attend a function recently with 3 retired policemen. One of their "war stories" (they had tons of very interesting adventures, ranging from prostitutes to drug addicts to murderers) had to do with a regular "sting" operation they had to perform at a local PARK. I say again...a local PARK!
The problem was homosexuals using the park as a meeting place--generally total strangers. The "signal" was to tap their brakes when passing through, to let others know they were "availible"...then they would proceed to engage in their foul acts right in front of the kids playing there.
That was in a totally different state than the one I live in, but I've heard the same story time and time again. There was a park in Tupelo where, until law enforcement cleaned it up, the locals knew you did NOT let your kids anywhere near the place after sundown---and if you were a straight male, you didn't go anywhere near there either. There's been sting operations on the Natchez Trace Parkway (look the place up), where tons of families visit the historical sites that line it from Jackson, MS to Nashville, TN. What kind of sting operations? Men meeting strange men in the bathrooms along the trace...but I guess that's "harmless" even when it happens in front of small children?
Yeah, right...two men getting it on in front of little kids is as natural as flowers blooming....I can't fathom how some would actually agree with that...sick, sad, downright pitiful individuals....
cops have amazing stories....I knew one guy, a U.S. Army Ranger fresh out of S.E.Asia getting a job in NYC as a cop. This was during the Harlem rent strikes of the 60's. One of the career regrets he has was that despite chasing Jesse Jackson for 6 blocks, he could not catch him to administer a well-deserved wood-shampoo...hehhehe....
as far as gays....good Lord....I was 18 and got pinched by the cops for doing something stupid. In 'central booking' they brought in 6 black prostitutes, all doped up. THey looked ok tho'...seems they were all beat up. They were plying their 'trade' on Atlantic avenue with the truck drivers delivering all sorts of things from all corners of the country. Then one driver 'found out' that these were transvestites 'working' for drug money...whoo hoo hoo what a fight.... But afraid of them ? Not a chance. But you see, for a lefty scumbag who's losing a fight, the cinch was that he had to hurl a label...homophobe....as if that would back me up and I should be shocked and dismayed by it. I don't quail at that kind of crap...I grew up on the streets of Brooklyn where NOBODY called you your proper name unless you were in a casket. So, call me anything you want, just don't call me late for dinner. Heheh...
But I do hate libs...especially sanctimonious self-important one. Cripes such puffery ! Oh well, I'm a perfesser and you should listen to me....hahahahah....what a dope.
You say that the government should not be involved in education, that it should be in control of the states. Are not the states part of government? Do you know why there is an NEA? It was because of such disparity among the states, or to be more exact, the graduates of schools (public and private). Minimum national standards needed to be put into place to force the lower states to make improvements. Think of it as our minimum speed limit of 45 mph on our interstate system. While you may go 75 mph in some states, the minimum is set for all of them. The national standards have helped to improve the education for millions and millions of children in our nation, especially those in the southern states which were lagging far behind the rest of the nation. While most still are not up to the top, they have all shown progress, Yes? I believe the national act that you are, or should be against is the NCLB, which was not written by the NEA, or any unions, but by President Bush and his counsel on education (most of whom had no background in Education at all). It was a poorly written bill that was implemented even more poorly.
The scariest thing so far in all of handle's posts is that he admits to being in the role of teaching kids.
First, disparity among states is not only healthy, but the foundation on which our federal government got its powers. We lent the federal government powers and today, they have gone well beyond. Drinking age, speed limit, education, welfare, you name it, they are way too big for their britches and truly don't have the power under our constitution for what they do. Disparity among education isn't the only thing you find between states. The only difference in it is that the NEA has found a more effective means to dig into the little guys pocket to enrich their own.
The NEA is in existence for fat cats to have a big paycheck. It has nothing to do with educating our kids. Since they have been around and the federal government has gotten more involved in education, the kids graduating are going downhill in every category. We have fallen behind the developed world in education and do I need to repeat the facts that the majority graduating aren't meeting the mini al requirements?
Now let's look a NCLB, no one has explained why it was so bad. You have your facts very wrong, Ted Kennedy was the man who took the lead in writing the bill. Bush unfortunately compromised his position in the bill which was vouchers. So other than that, it's Ed's bill not George's bill. Second, how could testing be all that bad? I know Sfury has already said testing doesn't mean much so why do it. Is that your position the handle? Do you no longer test your students?
The last snippet I read from you handle had to do with why we are even talking about it. You blame it on our taxes. FYI, not even close. If that really was why I'm addressing this issue, than why am I spending an addition couple hundred thousands dollars to send my kids to private school? Why am I note demanding the ability to write that money off on my state tax forms since I'm not using my little slice of the pie? Could it be the fact that I'm really concerned what hole the NEA and federal government has gotten this country in when it comes to the next generation of innovators? How are the no producers on senior welfare going to continue to receive their welfare checks each month when our GDP is going in the toilet because our next generation was never educated by highly paid "so called" professionals?
The gravy train is nearing its end. Those who have money will have the ability to move to better pastures. Those without, life is about to get really really ugly.
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Wow, lots of bad information on here. I've been off this forum for several years but had to jump back on this thread... Couple things
1. if a parent sends their child to public school, it does not mean they do not love their child. I think fieldmouse made an incredibly ignorant statement a few pages back.
no never made that statement. However, I will question the folks who could afford better for there kids instead choose not to.
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2. If rules were evened out, so that private schools had to take every kid who was dropped on their doorstep, the results would more than show that public schools, do a MUCH better job than private schools do. That is true across the nation.
completely false boogeyman. You guys love to make an attempt and throw that one up there but it's just false. No data to back it up. It's only made to keep the failing status quo.
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3. Not all states allow a Plan B type school license. Wisconsin does not. MN does not. most of the states who have always been the top of the heap for ACT scores do not. Also, as a whole, public school ACT scores are better than those from private schools.
what a joke. It's great to be able to compare failing school districts to other failings hook districts. Internationally, we are at the bottom when we should be at the top or at least have a plan in place to take us there. Then your last statement is in conflict with several others. First, NCLB was a national test, that was bad in your book. ACT a national test, it's now good in your book? Private schools take the cream of the crop yet public schools do better on national tests?
FYI the difference between my kids private school vs any public school in the nation, you can hear a pin drop walking down the hall. It's a privilege not a right. The best of all, 100% of the kids go on to college.
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4. How do I know this stuff? As a professor of education in a PRIVATE college, we go through the REAL data on students and student achievement, and not just our students, but across the nation (as we get kids from all over). Our public school students, in general, come to college ready to learn on their own, the private kids seem to need more hand-holding.
opinion and should be treated as such especially when we don't know where your school ranks. It could be you get the kids who desire more education but could get into better schools vs the private school kids who were expected to do more but could only get into your college.
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So here is the correct way to look at public education:
A dentist tells his school aged patient (who simply comes to him for whatever reason) to stop eating sweets, drinking pop, and to brush and floss, or he will get cavities. The patient does not do so for a variety of reasons (can't due to a mental or physical disability, forgets, parents don't remind him or enforce it). then do you fieldmouse and others
A. blame the dentist and say he is bad and should be fired, and that the dental school that he attended is bad and should be shut down? Or do you
B.realize, that no matter how good a dentist is, there will always be some kids who get cavities EVEN those with good parents and good dental hygiene?
very poor example because you just described your position and Sfury. You see the facts of the majority of kids graduating aren't proficient in math and reading, yet you attack the messenger. The dentist who says, quit doing what your doing.
I never saw a response to a question I posed pages ago. How many single moms out there do you think would send their son ( a daughter too) to a military still school is the option we given? How many single moms realize they screwed up for whatever reason and know they can't control their kids on there own? I bet if a school like that was offered in the worst of places, it would fill up and there would be a waiting list. The only problem is the fact that we will never know since handle and Sfury think. Nothing is wrong and they know what's best on educating kids than parents.
“If liberals were merely stupid, the laws of probability would dictate that at least some of their decisions would serve America's interests.". Joe McCarthy
I never saw a response to a question I posed pages ago. How many single moms out there do you think would send their son ( a daughter too) to a military still school is the option we given? How many single moms realize they screwed up for whatever reason and know they can't control their kids on there own? I bet if a school like that was offered in the worst of places, it would fill up and there would be a waiting list. The only problem is the fact that we will never know since handle and Sfury think. Nothing is wrong and they know what's best on educating kids than parents.
There is a similar school in harlem, not military, but a public academy,
From what I saw, high standards, high graduation rates, high university acceptance rates,
And its in harlem, so guessing has its share of single moms,
This happens to be an exclusive public acadamey,
Problem with private/military schools is costs,
Military high school I attended now costs $12k a year,
Some private schools can cost upwards of $30k/ year,
Not many single mothers, heck not many people in general can afford such tuitions.
There is a similar school in harlem, not military, but a public academy,
From what I saw, high standards, high graduation rates, high university acceptance rates,
And its in harlem, so guessing has its share of single moms,
This happens to be an exclusive public acadamey,
Problem with private/military schools is costs,
Military high school I attended now costs $12k a year,
Some private schools can cost upwards of $30k/ year,
Not many single mothers, heck not many people in general can afford such tuitions.
The dirty secret is at 12k/ yr it's a huge savings over the public school we have to day in many of the places it's needed.
“If liberals were merely stupid, the laws of probability would dictate that at least some of their decisions would serve America's interests.". Joe McCarthy
