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Old 02-06-2012, 04:50 PM   #1
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Default Wolves!! Why?

Why such a big to-do about the wolves? Why are people fighting so hard to get them back. How can wolves like OR-7 make national news and receive so much attention? Much of this attention coming from people with what seems to be some kind of agenda. Releasing wolves that end up living on ranchers property costing them money on top of the fact that there is seemingly nothing they can do about it. Personally I don't think its about the wolves at all. The only problem is I can't for the life of me figure out what anyone has to gain from re-introducing wolves in the lower 48.

This is the only publicity that is somewhat on the side of the ranchers from what I've seen.
http://vimeo.com/34089194

Everything else is 100% pro wolf

Anyone have any opinions or insight on this topic?
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Old 02-07-2012, 12:15 PM   #2
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The wolf is an invited guest at a great feast where the birds of the air and the beast of the field eat the dead who were consumed by their hatred of each other. Kind of hard if it isn't around.

Fitting, hatred of the hunter would be the motivator for it's reintroduction.

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Old 02-07-2012, 12:23 PM   #3
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I won't kill one till paid to do so. I hear they pay 250 a head up in canada.
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Old 02-08-2012, 08:30 PM   #4
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hunters have the ability to kill them all out again - if they don't, then its on their shoulders alone when wolves eat the west out of game animals


Yellowstone had 20,000 elk in 1996 when wolves were reintroduced, it now has 4500
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Old 02-08-2012, 09:07 PM   #5
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And therein lies the great question... Why?

To ensure the survival of the species? With so many Canadian wolves roaming around in Canada, maybe there was danger in those bloodthirsty Canucks exterminating them and they needed a new refuge? No, in any reasonable sense, the wolf did not need to be saved from the brink of extinction.

To control the elk population in the Greater Yellowstone Basin? Hmmm. Well, since I was a kid I can recall a very pronounced browse line across the park, no doubt contributed to by an abundance of elk, maybe an "over" abundance? Nah, I don't think that one hunts, either. Otherwise, the NPS would've championed the success of the reintroduction in Yellowstone as the solution to the elk population problem in Rocky Mountain National Park. Maybe they realize something now that they didn't realize back then?

Maybe "hatred of the hunter" should be given more credit than it has been? There's absolutely no question that the conflict and divide between the hunting and non-hunting public has grown over the wolf issue. If you peruse the various environmental/wildlife advocacy sites, any time a judge rules against the wolves, the call for donations goes out. After all, the "assault on our wild friends" must be stopped. How else is an otherwise flat-panel oriented, outdoors-naive populace to be enslaved by a romantic but exaggerated ideology - and particularly if there's a way to pry a dollar or two from their wallets in the process?

It's interesting though. I saw that new Liam Neeson movie "the Grey" over the weekend, as apparently did a number of people about my workplace (the vast majority of them non-hunters). Not too surprisingly, they focused on the wolves getting "revenge" on the humans, "...after all, look at how cruel the whole Yellowstone reintroduction has been" (I need to be careful listening to those who speak of such nonsense when we're huddled around the coffeepot - hot coffee going through one's nostrils is highly uncomfortable). Just a sidebar, but anyone who leaves the theater thinking that the movie has anything to do with wolves is playing in the "kiddie pool" of mental depth.

We're becoming a nation of idiots. We'll believe anything that assuages whatever guilt we may associate with the fact that we are human and we do exercise a whole lot of control over our natural world. That the environmental activists can count on a growing population of morons to support their business (yes, they'll deny it, but it's a booming one) with contributions is mere exploitation of that guilt. They need causes to rally around though. Who ... or What ... is next?
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Old 02-09-2012, 04:21 AM   #6
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We're becoming a nation of idiots. We'll believe anything that assuages whatever guilt we may associate with the fact that we are human and we do exercise a whole lot of control over our natural world. That the environmental activists can count on a growing population of morons to support their business (yes, they'll deny it, but it's a booming one) with contributions is mere exploitation of that guilt. They need causes to rally around though. Who ... or What ... is next?
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We can thank idiot Bruce Babbitt for wolf "re-introduction". Bruce Babbitt pandered to the far outers of the bunny hugger movement. Now his beloved wolves have devastated the elk and deer population of several states.
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Old 02-09-2012, 07:10 AM   #7
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I think Wolves should be removed totally. 100%
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