I don't understand something....the machinations of the Fed have no bearing on individual wealth that I can see. One must HAVE personal wealth first, to be able to
'take advantage' of whatever the fed is doing to inflate currency...and how is that socialism ? And if the wealth of ANYONE with 2 nickels to rub together is grown by the Fed's activities, how is it that anyone can say that those with 'less' don't also benefit ? Also, how is the government's purchase of a product or service from the private sector amount to a subsidy ? At first blush, this argument seems so disjointed I cannot attack it on one side without approving of it in some other way.
How can 1 common denominator, CURRENCY, be printed so that it augments the wealth of 1 citizen class, and reduces the wealth of another ?
FM, they just can't see the forest for the trees; they like to slam the group of people the keep the wheels greased. They don't understand that NO one owes you a living. They don't understand the concept of providing for yourself! To them it's all give me, give me, give me.
Nothing but leaches on society, and they love to bash those that pay the bills.
I don't understand something....the machinations of the Fed have no bearing on individual wealth that I can see. One must HAVE personal wealth first, to be able to
'take advantage' of whatever the fed is doing to inflate currency...and how is that socialism ? And if the wealth of ANYONE with 2 nickels to rub together is grown by the Fed's activities, how is it that anyone can say that those with 'less' don't also benefit ? Also, how is the government's purchase of a product or service from the private sector amount to a subsidy ? At first blush, this argument seems so disjointed I cannot attack it on one side without approving of it in some other way.
How can 1 common denominator, CURRENCY, be printed so that it augments the wealth of 1 citizen class, and reduces the wealth of another ?
I agree except that I believe government purchase of a product or service from the private sector could be a subsidy if there is no market for the product or service in the private sector.
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I don't understand something....the machinations of the Fed have no bearing on individual wealth that I can see. One must HAVE personal wealth first, to be able to
'take advantage' of whatever the fed is doing to inflate currency...and how is that socialism ? And if the wealth of ANYONE with 2 nickels to rub together is grown by the Fed's activities, how is it that anyone can say that those with 'less' don't also benefit ? Also, how is the government's purchase of a product or service from the private sector amount to a subsidy ? At first blush, this argument seems so disjointed I cannot attack it on one side without approving of it in some other way.
How can 1 common denominator, CURRENCY, be printed so that it augments the wealth of 1 citizen class, and reduces the wealth of another ?
It does have bearing on individual wealth, through inflation of currency.
Your money loses power in the market place with the printing of more money.
How is it essential Socialism ? Its not really, its more Corporatism and Corruption than Socialism, but it appears to be socialism for the rich cause of how they treat each other.
16 Trillion in secret loans were given to Wall Street Companies, Banks, Central Banks, and individuals. Thats from the Audit we ran on it for the first time last year (Truth be known they are cooking the books)
Think of it like this..
The more our Federal Reserve prints money for our Government, the more the buying power of the dollar decreases.
So a person who once spent 2.00 a gallon now spends 3.00 a gallon, which in turn drives up the overall cost of living and prices of EVERYTHING.
Now do the math and think logically.... If the cost of living goes up, who gets hurt by it more ?
The person who is struggling to live already(Saving 0 money) ? Or the Person who has enough money they can simply say I'm not going to save as much money to cover the cost of inflation ?
FM, they just can't see the forest for the trees; they like to slam the group of people the keep the wheels greased. They don't understand that NO one owes you a living. They don't understand the concept of providing for yourself! To them it's all give me, give me, give me.
Nothing but leaches on society, and they love to bash those that pay the bills.
No sir I understand that wholly.
Which is why I understand that when the Government BUYS products from people you are not "Creating wealth" from a Free Market.
You are living off the wealth of others, because the Government has to tax someone to pay for your product its buying.
And the Fed-Government shouldn't provide services, that statist liberal thinking has half the country thinking they are entitled to damn near everything.
I agree Rev. Mark's new book is truly eye opening. In short there is such a thing called the perpetual machine. It is for real. It called looking towards the government for utopia. They all promise it but always fail to deliver while growing bigger and out of control as time goes on.
Real utopia does exist and a few key people who held great influence over our founding fathers knew it. Utopia exist in with in the natural state of men. Mason wrote, "That all Men are born equally free and independent, and have certain inherent natural Rights, of which they can not by any Compact, deprive or divest their posterity; amount which are the Enjoyment of Life and Liberty, with the Means of acquiring and possessing Property, and pursuing and obtaining Happiness and Safety. That power is, by God and Nature, vested in, and consequently derived from they People....".
People who use the quote I posted to start this thread don't understand that. People who use the quote like Will believe utopia can only exist if people have equal outcomes not beginnings.
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16 Trillion in secret loans were given to Wall Street Companies, Banks, Central Banks, and individuals. Thats from the Audit we ran on it for the first time last year (Truth be known they are cooking the books)
if they are loans, don't they require them to be repaid? If we are the money standard for the world, how's is the money supply suppose to grow if we don't print more money?
You're off on a tangent that has nothing to do with this post. We certainly can find common ground when discussing the fed, the corporate welfare, farmer welfare and even perhaps the senior citizens welfare in the form of SS and Medicare. However, that doesn't have anything to do with the claim that some how the growing number of people who find themselves very rich is a problem in America.
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John Adams “The moment the idea is admitted into society that property is not as sacred as the laws of God, and that there is not a force of law and public justice to protect it, anarchy and tyranny commence.”
Ronald Reagan: 'Everybody that is for abortion has already been born'
"I never said I was worth it. I only said I wouldn't do it for less " William F. Buckley Jr.
if they are loans, don't they require them to be repaid? If we are the money standard for the world, how's is the money supply suppose to grow if we don't print more money?
You're off on a tangent that has nothing to do with this post. We certainly can find common ground when discussing the fed, the corporate welfare, farmer welfare and even perhaps the senior citizens welfare in the form of SS and Medicare. However, that doesn't have anything to do with the claim that some how the growing number of people who find themselves very rich is a problem in America.
Why are people messing up their business's allowed to get loans THAT I CAN'T GET with my money ?
And being the world standard doesn't mean YOU HAVE TO PRINT more (LOL YOU GOTTA BE KIDDING ME! )it means your currency is accepted world wide, and is the most valuable. (It doesn't stay the most valuable if you print MORE OF IT, if you haven't noticed China and Russia both are calling for us to be dropped as the world standard)
This tangent has a lot to do with this post because it has everything to do with wealth inequality, its all intertwined and connected, has to do with everything.
That wasn't even me trying to argue with you FieldMouse, that was me actually trying to provide a conservative explanation to why there is wealth inequality and why Fiscal liberal policies contribute to wealth inequality. (In essence agreeing with your premise of the thread)
I don't care how much money you have, in fact you'll find I'm probably the biggest against any income tax whatsoever. (abolish it its unconstitutional anyways)
Your problem is that you're referring to recent actions. The quote that Will posted and refuses to defend, isn't related to that.
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John Adams “The moment the idea is admitted into society that property is not as sacred as the laws of God, and that there is not a force of law and public justice to protect it, anarchy and tyranny commence.”
Ronald Reagan: 'Everybody that is for abortion has already been born'
"I never said I was worth it. I only said I wouldn't do it for less " William F. Buckley Jr.
It does have bearing on individual wealth, through inflation of currency.
Your money loses power in the market place with the printing of more money.
But it favors neither group...the knife cuts cleanly both ways. So printing more money, like the demokrats are wont to do, hurts the poor most of all. Are they not concerned about the po' ?
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How is it essential Socialism ? Its not really, its more Corporatism and Corruption than Socialism, but it appears to be socialism for the rich cause of how they treat each other.
16 Trillion in secret loans were given to Wall Street Companies, Banks, Central Banks, and individuals. Thats from the Audit we ran on it for the first time last year (Truth be known they are cooking the books)
I agree it's corruption and very partial to the one specific group of people who were the biggest supporters of the demokrats in the last election. Domestically, Wall Street clamored to their checkbooks to support Obama, and overseas, he was hailed as the best thing since they put soap in steel wool. So...he had to pay them back...but the payback is done with tax dollars.
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Think of it like this..
The more our Federal Reserve prints money for our Government, the more the buying power of the dollar decreases.
Agreed....I'm following you....
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So a person who once spent 2.00 a gallon now spends 3.00 a gallon, which in turn drives up the overall cost of living and prices of EVERYTHING.
Now do the math and think logically.... If the cost of living goes up, who gets hurt by it more ?
The person who is struggling to live already(Saving 0 money) ? Or the Person who has enough money they can simply say I'm not going to save as much money to cover the cost of inflation ?
I agree, but everyone is affected. The rich don't get richer, the poorer get more government aid, and it's the middle class that suffers. Always. Yet, Obama has had over 1 trillion in extra currency, worthless paper, printed up just over the last couple of years. How can he claim to be supporting 'the little guy' when he's cutting his throat ?
