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John Adams “The moment the idea is admitted into society that property is not as sacred as the laws of God, and that there is not a force of law and public justice to protect it, anarchy and tyranny commence.”
Ronald Reagan: 'Everybody that is for abortion has already been born'
"I never said I was worth it. I only said I wouldn't do it for less " William F. Buckley Jr.
someone needs to mandate clean air. 2025 is too long to wait. you cannot come up with a more inefficient form of transportation than the combustion engine. with all the new high tech stuff we create everyday, it shouldnt be that hard to figure out something way more efficient. and people who just bitch that someone cares arnt helping anything. why dont they get off their azz and make a difference? invent something!!!( i already did, i used a toilet paper roll, some aluminum foil and a tooth pick)
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Why get off the combustion engine? It's powered from a natural over abundant resource called oil. There is plenty of it around and mother earth wants us to use it. So much so, she herself oozes more everyday than our little mishaps. California oozes with crude oil coming out of the ground. Furthermore, there is a reason gas is the prefered substance for transportation. It's safe, fast and offers more bang for the buck. We will be a gas base society for your lifetime, your kids life time and your grandkids lifetime.
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John Adams “The moment the idea is admitted into society that property is not as sacred as the laws of God, and that there is not a force of law and public justice to protect it, anarchy and tyranny commence.”
Ronald Reagan: 'Everybody that is for abortion has already been born'
"I never said I was worth it. I only said I wouldn't do it for less " William F. Buckley Jr.
It's an interesting article but, having lived in California for most of my life, I would like to see the CARB Board lady's documentation for making some of her claims. Unless something has changed radically in how the electric car batteries are made, they cost more than a diesel engine to manufacture and create a toxic waste when they dispose of the old ones that no longer work.
I like the idea of making internal combustion engines more efficient and cleaner as it only makes sense, modifying a proven technology. I'd like to see the government spend some of their EPA $$ supplying or at least partially helping to pay for technology that makes coal energy plants cleaner and more efficient--yes, that technology also exists. There are a lot fo things the fed could do or help sponsor that would make a lot more sense economically and environmentally. So far, electric cars doesn't seem to be one of them.
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If you can read this, thank a teacher. If you can read this in English, thank a veteran.
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I like the idea of making internal combustion engines more efficient and cleaner as it only makes sense, modifying a proven technology. I'd like to see the government spend some of their EPA $$ supplying or at least partially helping to pay for technology that makes coal energy plants cleaner and more efficient--yes, that technology also exists. There are a lot fo things the fed could do or help sponsor that would make a lot more sense economically and environmentally.
The market place should decide. Right now we have a 1.5 trillion dollars deficit full of nice ideas to make our life better. Hows that working out for you?
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John Adams “The moment the idea is admitted into society that property is not as sacred as the laws of God, and that there is not a force of law and public justice to protect it, anarchy and tyranny commence.”
Ronald Reagan: 'Everybody that is for abortion has already been born'
"I never said I was worth it. I only said I wouldn't do it for less " William F. Buckley Jr.
Perhaps I should explain more carefully. I DON'T like the government just making a mandate--that never seems to work in our best interests (just look at healthcare for example). I do like the marketplace (i.e. manufacturers, etc.) making engines more efficient and effective. That occurs naturally as evidenced by the last 30 years of cars (and engines) getting much better.
When I was in HS (way back in the 70's), I had a buddy whose dad owned a car repair shop. My buddy liked working on cars and was unbelievably good at it. As he progressed, he figured out how the state's emission test equipment worked and how to adjust cars accordingly. His analysis was that the emission test equipment forced car engines to run extra lean to the point where they lost performance and gas mileage.
I can still remember to this day him telling me that he could fix their problem so engines met all of the smog requirements back then and had plenty of power and mileage. He said that the Hemi engine design was the ideal place to start as its' design met all 3 criteria and could be improved upon still. I remember telling him that he should talk to the people in Detroit because that could make a huge difference in the car industry.
I don't believe my buddy ever spoke with Detroit but he was one smart cookie and was spot on in his analysis. That was in the 70's and I look at what engines are like today and how they have progressed. My point, after tripping down memory lane, is that the marketplace can and does force companies to make the improvements.
Sometimes government nudges them a little bit or, as was the case when gas prices started rising, consumers nudged them hard with their checkbooks. And sometimes (a lot of the time), business competition forces a company to improve or fail due to competition. Regardless of the source, companies respond to the external stimuli.
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Jesus Christ--The reason for the season!
If you can read this, thank a teacher. If you can read this in English, thank a veteran.
If you're certain you know everything, there's little opportunity to learn anything.
The market place should decide. Right now we have a 1.5 trillion dollars deficit full of nice ideas to make our life better. Hows that working out for you?
To respond more specifically to this post, I think that car manufacturers and other companies in general are always going to seek to make things more efficiently as market competition inevitably forces them to do so.
I am personally appalled at the $1.5T deficit and agree that things should be paid for as we go to every extent possible. An occasional emergency (WW2 comes to mind) but exceeding the income limit should be only on an emergency basis like that, not for poor planning or irresponsible spending (both of which have been happening for the last few decades).
If one looks at the reason for our financial mess, it becomes obvious that successive congresses and Presidents have been unwilling to live within their means and should have been fired a long time ago. They have steadfastly refused to rein in excessive costs and continue to ignore several critical items that need to be reformed substantially.
SS, Medicare, useless subsidies like ethanol, etc., overspending on foreign countries and military bases in them, the UN--this list could go on for a long ways. I am just ballparking here but I would guesstimate that the U.S. could reduce expenditures by a minimum of 40+% simply by eliminating excessive costs and reforming entitlement programs so they are self sufficient.
I'm still learning about corporate taxes but it appears like we could reform those to be competitive with the rest of the world and bring a lot of jobs back home and increase federal revenues without a single tax increase.
I could go on but the simple answer is no, the current deficit is not okay or acceptable. Government does have a role but is increasingly overstepping its' bounds and getting in the way.
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Jesus Christ--The reason for the season!
If you can read this, thank a teacher. If you can read this in English, thank a veteran.
If you're certain you know everything, there's little opportunity to learn anything.
invent something!!!( i already did, i used a toilet paper roll, some aluminum foil and a tooth pick)
Is it a new form of transport or a disposable smoking device?
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Let others praise ancient times; I am glad I was born in these.-- Ovid (43 B.C.-A.D. 18)
Things ain't what they used to be and probably never was. ~Will Rogers
Tomorrow hopes we have learned something from yesterday.
"Shouldn't someone tag Mr. Kennedy's 'bold new imaginative program' with its proper age?" "Under the tousled boyish haircut it is still old Karl Marx—first launched a century ago.
There is nothing new in the idea of a government being Big Brother to us all. R.Reagan-1960
An occasional emergency (WW2 comes to mind) but exceeding the income limit should be only on an emergency basis like that, not for poor planning or irresponsible spending
I understand what yer saying about the spending etc. Wouldnt saving the planet be considered a emergency ?(if only we could call superman? ) Isnt that the rallying cry& claim by quite a few these days?
I see nothing wrong with improving anything to make it better- i dont believe in gov mandates etc that dont do much as claimed- but grow gov bigger & make taxpapers poorer.
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Let others praise ancient times; I am glad I was born in these.-- Ovid (43 B.C.-A.D. 18)
Things ain't what they used to be and probably never was. ~Will Rogers
Tomorrow hopes we have learned something from yesterday.
"Shouldn't someone tag Mr. Kennedy's 'bold new imaginative program' with its proper age?" "Under the tousled boyish haircut it is still old Karl Marx—first launched a century ago.
There is nothing new in the idea of a government being Big Brother to us all. R.Reagan-1960
Thats why we i think (wy & places like it) will be on the bottom of some ppls list alwaysi guess ( like the blog i mentioned on another thread about the most efficent states & electric cars etc.)( yes ours & & a least a few others would be coal powered electic cars)
It sounds good on the surface to a bit of it - but involves a whole lot of giving the gov more power & much more gov control over ppls lifes.
Seems quite a few ppl want there hands held by the nannystate gov( some places more then others)- it( the gov) gives them the power& control over others to push/force there agendas & idea- using the power & resources^ laws of gov to do so.
That they (some of them anyways)may think the claimed & predicted doom & gloom & hype are real- that there saving the planet from destruction etc- seems besides the point.
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Let others praise ancient times; I am glad I was born in these.-- Ovid (43 B.C.-A.D. 18)
Things ain't what they used to be and probably never was. ~Will Rogers
Tomorrow hopes we have learned something from yesterday.
"Shouldn't someone tag Mr. Kennedy's 'bold new imaginative program' with its proper age?" "Under the tousled boyish haircut it is still old Karl Marx—first launched a century ago.
There is nothing new in the idea of a government being Big Brother to us all. R.Reagan-1960
Idiots, we're from the government, we know what's best for you!
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