well, considering that NOBODY HAS EVER LOST THEIR TAX-EXEMPT STATUS by politicizing from the pulpit, I see no reason why every Christian church in the country can't preach what they want. Now, for me, Christianity and conservatism go hand in hand....true Christians would NEVER EVER vote for baby-murdering, homosexual loving, morality tossin' demokrats. I would press the religious community to being to take the moral high ground and instead of decrying specific traits, GO FOR IT !! TELL THE CONGREGATION TO VOTE FOR ANYONE OTHER THAN A DEMOKRAT !!!. See where that gets 'em. I figure if they can tell you who to vote for based on religious grounds, they're still preachin' religion and should be able to keep their tax exemption.
Now, for me, Christianity and conservatism go hand in hand....true Christians would NEVER EVER vote for baby-murdering, homosexual loving, morality tossin' demokrats.
I'm understanding more and more why so many people are so turned off by organized religion. So many of them focus on anything but God and religion--it's all about power, racism, politics, "science", etc.--which generally all tie together at one point or another.
Churches that use their pulpits to specifically promote or denounce pollitical candidates should loose their tax exempt status, plus have to pay back-taxes for at least the past ten years.
It doesn't take a high I.Q. to understand which candidate/party promotes morality, without having to mention any names. But again, so many places (as the one in the story) have something other than God as the focal point of their "religion". Sickening, sad, and plain pitiful...and the libs prey on them while laughing at them behind their backs.
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You don't know much about christianity then Bergall. Neither party represents the teachings in their entirety. For many aspects of the teachings of the Church more often lend themselves to the liberal midset in many regards rather than the conservative viewpoints.
Other aspects are the opposite.
In the end, any religious organization (Christian ones anyways) should never endorse any political candidates. Nor should they take a political stance on subjects outside of their belief structure.
I will admit, that the tiny, off-shoot organizations need to be taken into account differently. As do the large televangelical followings. They seem to veer off into wierd tangents as The Rev mentioned. They are more about some personal agenda of the leader than they are about faith. Not always, but often enough, that people should be wary of them.
It does read like it's a little commercialized. I guess it depends upon which definition of separation of church and state you're using. Technically, Jefferson was referring to the 1st amendment, as in "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof." That would seem to make the case that a church can be involved politically. There are some issues in various states about the pledge of allegiance, various biblical references in court houses/government building, i.e. 10 Commandments, etc. and other junctures where religion and government are interwoven. It's an interesting topic.
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Neither party represents the teachings in their entirety.
That's not the job of a pollitical party.
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For many aspects of the teachings of the Church more often lend themselves to the liberal midset in many regards rather than the conservative viewpoints.
Such as?
It's not a hard call. One party's national platform stands for abortion, homosexuality, welfare, etc. The other's national platform is against these. It's clear where the Bible stands on these topics.
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A wise man's heart is at his right hand; but a fool's heart at his left. Ecclesiasties 10:2
The last four letters in American..........I Can
The last four letters in Republican........I Can
The last four letters in Democrats.........Rats
I'm understanding more and more why so many people are so turned off by organized religion. So many of them focus on anything but God and religion--it's all about power, racism, politics, "science", etc.--which generally all tie together at one point or another.
Churches that use their pulpits to specifically promote or denounce pollitical candidates should loose their tax exempt status, plus have to pay back-taxes for at least the past ten years.
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Yes, they should lose their tax exempt status. i stopped attending a church where the pastor got wrapped around the axle with political stuff and foregot he was there to preach the gospel. Religion has become big business, perhaps the largest business enterprise in the US.
You don't know much about christianity then Bergall. Neither party represents the teachings in their entirety. For many aspects of the teachings of the Church more often lend themselves to the liberal midset in many regards rather than the conservative viewpoints.
true...neither party in it's entirety. BUT it seems that the demokrats embody that which is most contrary to the teachings of Jesus Christ. I do not see how the Christian viewpoint goes to ANYTHING OTHER than the conservative viewpoint.....
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Other aspects are the opposite.
Enlighten me. Which other aspects ?
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In the end, any religious organization (Christian ones anyways) should never endorse any political candidates. Nor should they take a political stance on subjects outside of their belief structure.
thats hogwash. THere are things that the demo-scum support that SHOULD BE anathema to ALL Christians. Stating those positions is NOT political (IT IS MORAL) and it SHOULD be enough to finish off the demo-skum but then again, we do not have "TRUE" Christians anymore I suppose....
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I will admit, that the tiny, off-shoot organizations need to be taken into account differently. As do the large televangelical followings. They seem to veer off into wierd tangents as The Rev mentioned. They are more about some personal agenda of the leader than they are about faith. Not always, but often enough, that people should be wary of them.
I'll give you that much...but then again, these are organizations focused on the personal enrichment of those representing them. Not Christian in anything other than name. HOWEVER, to say that ABORTION IS MURDER SHOULD destroy the demokrat party. Saying that the institutionalization of publicly funded largesse is enslavement of the poor...THAT should finish the demokratz, especially since it is the conservative thought process which espouses work and personal productivity to AVOID poverty, and supports THE PRIVATE SECTOR giving alms to the poor. Stating that homosexuality, bestiality, pedophilia and promiscuity are anti-Christian values SHOULD destroy the demokrat party. WTF are all the Christians ? Insofar as it's been estimated that 85% of the population of the United States is Christian, I will assume you are Christian, at least in upbringing so, MORE IMPORTANTLY, how the EFF do you, as a Christian, get to PICK AND CHOOSE WHICH TENETS OF THE FAITH TO FOLLOW AND WHICH TO DISCOUNT ? For this reason, at least for papists (Roman Catholics), I would support the declaration of the USA as an apostasy and excommunicate the entire country based on the points I raise above. No weddings, funerals, Communion, Extreme Unction, confession....none of it. The country is degenerate and it is at the hands of those ERSATZ Christians that this has come to pass. Liberals and demokrats are the engineers of the spiritual undoing of this country, make no mistake.
It does read like it's a little commercialized. I guess it depends upon which definition of separation of church and state you're using. Technically, Jefferson was referring to the 1st amendment, as in "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof." That would seem to make the case that a church can be involved politically. There are some issues in various states about the pledge of allegiance, various biblical references in court houses/government building, i.e. 10 Commandments, etc. and other junctures where religion and government are interwoven. It's an interesting topic.
It's a shame, but all religious denominations are run like a business. They are too involved in things other than tending their flocks. BUT, it is the demokrats in general, and the liberals in particular who have 'invented' the Separation of Church and State as if it's a solid immutable wall codified constitutionally and is absolute. Thats the biggest crock of crap since Klinton denied involvement with Monica. The fact is that we are founded as a CHRISTIAN nation, to be TOLERANT of different viewpoints. In no place is it stated that to be tolerant of different viewpoints is to give them EQUAL TIME and EQUAL WEIGHT as that of the majority. So this effort to erase religion from our country is a fallacy and an invention by those who have no religion and who wish to rot the country's Christian roots by first invalidating the Christian morality and then replacing it with a corruption of even the most basic of human standards. Congress shall make no law....that's right....there shall be no "Church of the United States" which would be preferred and take precedence over the Catholic Church, or the Lutheran Church or the Episcopalians or the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. IT DOES NOT state in any way shape or form, that religion and American daily life do not mix, yet that is the 'road apple' the left is trying to cram down everyone's throat.
I do not agree with it. I do not agree with the demokrat effort to eradicate religion from even the thought processes of our political leaders...and that IS a major thrust because for a Roman Catholic like the Tedddy Kennedy was, for him to support abortion, he has to deny his own religion. Poster child for the socialist/fascist left and I would think he burns in his drunkard's hell right now.
I'm understanding more and more why so many people are so turned off by organized religion. So many of them focus on anything but God and religion--it's all about power, racism, politics, "science", etc.--which generally all tie together at one point or another.
Maybe I have been lucky the ministers and priests I have listened to have not used their pulpits to preach anything but God and the Gospel of Jesus Christ. I do recall our priest making a political (if you want to call it that) comment one time. It was voting season and the priest simply encouraged us to go out and vote.
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For many aspects of the teachings of the Church more often lend themselves to the liberal midset in many regards rather than the conservative viewpoints.
Oh?
Bergall and Chad are correct. As I have mentioned in other posts I am not God's spokesman but I have a difficult time believing God would support the current democrat platform of murdering the unborn, encouraging a dependent lifestyle (rather than using God given talents) and encouraging morally bankrupt lifestyles.
I am not saying God is a Conservative Republican, God loves all people. But one political party clearly supports positions that God as far as I can tell is against.
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I might be wrong, but isnt this a violation of church, tax exeption rules?
