I have been following the coverage on the House of Representatives' rejection of the payroll tax extension. ALL of the press seems to be missing a couple of key points:
1: given the way payroll is done in this country, it is impossible to
implement a tax extension for the payroll tax, formerly known as
Federal Insurance Contributions Act Tax or F.I.C.A., in under 2
months. THe implementation would take place after the extension
expires.
2: FICA tax (renamed 'payroll tax' by scumbag demokrats) is the
sole funding for Social Security.
3: By suspending FICA for ANY period of time, the demokrats
support de-funding Social Security for the very same people they
say republicans are looking to toss from the cliff.
So why is it that the demokrat scum are not being held to account for why they are de-funding social security ? That $1000 tax bill associated with FICA for 'the average American family' will neither make nor break the household finances; have we become such vermin that we'd take from the elderly (right wrong or indifferent, whether you agree with the program or not, millions have planned on getting their SS to augment their savings for retirement and without it, face a bleak future with destitution a distinct possibility) for a chump-change tax break for those people still gainfully employed ? They've already cut 500billion from the program, with another 250billion 'hole' being proposed with the extension of this tax cut. The people are being purposely misinformed/uninformed as to the nature of the money, its purpose, and whom will be affected by demokrats taking from the elderly who don't know what the eff is going on, and paying people for votes ! Where's the reporting on that ???!!!!
no one was defunding SS
what the dems were doing were eliminating as a payroll tax
and having it paid soley by the employer , not by the employee
right or wrong isa different discussion
but SS would still be funded, only change is who pays
Well lets list the lies. The Democrats bill is only worth 160 not 1k. Unlike the house bill.
More importantly as you point out, it exposes the lies of the system. Its only general revenue. More importantly this cut directly effects eligibility at retirement. So in hidden form, they are reducing future retirement benefits. The masses are so dumb
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no one was defunding SS
what the dems were doing were eliminating as a payroll tax
and having it paid soley by the employer , not by the employee
right or wrong isa different discussion
but SS would still be funded, only change is who pays
I see...so....how many employees get laid off to cover the extra money the employer has to shell out to make up the difference ?
I KNOW there are thousands who were laid off from their jobs because 'crap-in-a-suit' got his health care law passed, resulting in a sharp rise in health insurance rates. So, Not defunding ? When less folks are working, less money is coming into the system...that's defunding the system. The net effect is pretty much the same I'd say. Any focus on increasing the amount of money it takes for a company to do business results in 2 results:
1: higher prices for consumers
2: layoffs
Better to focus the demokrat-scum attention on the Bush tax cuts which are set to expire soon...that's an across the board tax hike affecting everyone, and despite crap-in-a-suit's mumblings to the contrary, there's no legislation protecting anyone from THAT tax hike.
no one was defunding SS
what the dems were doing were eliminating as a payroll tax
and having it paid soley by the employer , not by the employee
right or wrong isa different discussion
but SS would still be funded, only change is who pays
not true. The employer contribution doesn't change. The employee contribution is reduced. Therefore, SS is being defunded.
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Ronald Reagan: 'Everybody that is for abortion has already been born'
"I never said I was worth it. I only said I wouldn't do it for less " William F. Buckley Jr.
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I just saw an interview with our 40 year tenured Democratic Senator Pat Leahy. He was complaining that the GOP were responsible for the extension not passing and that it would be catastrophic for the average worker who will have to pay more taxes now, bad for people who were out of work and on unemployment who will see their checks cut in January, and will under fund SS for the future. He was on camera placing the blame on everyone but himself. I say bull crap to leaky Leahy. He and his bunch of goof offs on both sides who were elected to work for the people have failed in doing the job. This is the worst Congress and administration in our history as evidenced by public opinion polls used to gauge voter confidence. What they have done in the way of erecting partisan divides that can’t be breached is unconscionable. Both parties have fallen back to their respective extreme sides and locked up. No longer are there moderate people within each party that actually crossed the isle and got things done. This administration, along with the elected Congress has accomplished nothing. They all need to be fired, banished or run out of town on a rail. Since that won’t happen and in keeping with our election process they should one by one be voted out of office. The only way to change that behavior is to cut them out just like a cancer. I hope every person in America gets out and exercises their right to vote and do it in a responsible way. Somewhere a grass roots movement needs to start to eliminate them all and through the process and elect some people willing to place the country ahead of their personal agenda. If nothing changes there will be people saying I have had it and refuse to pay another dime in taxes. They will tell the government to stuff it and if you don’t like it come and get me. If one does it he goes to jail. If a million do it they have power.
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Cross the isle? So, extending them a full year isn't doing just that? I am enjoying the fact your for cutting bennies now and refunding the system. There is hope in you yet CI.
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John Adams “The moment the idea is admitted into society that property is not as sacred as the laws of God, and that there is not a force of law and public justice to protect it, anarchy and tyranny commence.”
Ronald Reagan: 'Everybody that is for abortion has already been born'
"I never said I was worth it. I only said I wouldn't do it for less " William F. Buckley Jr.
This is the worst Congress and administration in our history as evidenced by public opinion polls used to gauge voter confidence. What they have done in the way of erecting partisan divides that can’t be breached is unconscionable. Both parties have fallen back to their respective extreme sides and locked up. No longer are there moderate people within each party that actually crossed the isle and got things done. This administration, along with the elected Congress has accomplished nothing.
a more complete response.
Is it really the congress or the public? Opinion polls, what really are they when they claim a low approval rating for congress? You want moderates to stand up and vote but refuse to answer a basic question when it comes to a "moderate" position.
When the country is going bankrupt because there are too many Paul's, what happens next? What happens when even the Paul I'm responding to replies with, "I've been paying for a promise and I'm entitled" even though the Paul knows the facts behind the promise? The promise that was based on lies and deception. The Paul, when unable to rationally explain how he is different than any other Paul out there claiming, I deserve unemployment, welfare, corporate welfare, food stamps, child care, tax breaks......, decides to bury his head in the sand and say, my immediate next generation will be fine?
Is the moderate position, as long as I'm not taking advantage of the system "too much" its ok? Is there a book we could all reference to or a web site that lets us folks know just how much of my liberty isn't my liberty but yours? I really like to know the "moderate" position of my liberty? That way, as I'm planning on my future, I could know just how much money a moderate requires out of my wallet.
CI, quit ducking. You have your position. It's time to defend it.
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John Adams “The moment the idea is admitted into society that property is not as sacred as the laws of God, and that there is not a force of law and public justice to protect it, anarchy and tyranny commence.”
Ronald Reagan: 'Everybody that is for abortion has already been born'
"I never said I was worth it. I only said I wouldn't do it for less " William F. Buckley Jr.
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Payroll Tax Cut = R.I.P. Social Security
