I wanted to share something with you all... Over at my part time job (small electrical company), we have a snack/candy delivery man who stops over to fill up the candy box for our customers from time to time. The guy is "out there" if you know what I mean... He's one of those whacked out, tin foil hat, secret gov't conspiracies, UFO's, etc... type of nutty people. My boss and I talk to him all the time whenever he comes in, and then chuckle at him after he leaves.
Anyway, the last time the guy was filling up the snack box on the counter, he was going off about Obama, his administration, the 2012 elections, etc... and he made my boss and I really sit back and think. "OMG... The guy is finally making sense!"
2012 is going to be a very bad year, like nothing we have ever seen in our lifetime.
The blacks, the ultra left-wing liberals, ACORN, NAACP, etc... and going to do whatever to ensure Obama serves another term.
If somehow Obama loses, we will see race riots far worse than in the 50's and early 60's or worse - - a civil war.
If Obama wins, then the country will still be headed in the wrong direction, and we will see bread lines and an economy worse than 1929.
If Obama wins, the angry white people will finally speak up and rise up in protest - - i.e. a civil war.
etc...
Like I said, that guy was going off on stuff and made you sit back and think!
2012 is going to be a very bad year, like nothing we have ever seen in our lifetime.
Possibly--depends on how old you are and what you have seen. Nothing is written in stone though.
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The blacks, the ultra left-wing liberals, ACORN, NAACP, etc... and going to do whatever to ensure Obama serves another term.
Not all blacks will vote for bho. Some folks will use common sense vs. racism to make their decision. None of those will vote for bho.
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If somehow Obama loses, we will see race riots far worse than in the 50's and early 60's or worse - - a civil war.
Maybe some riots in select places, but nothing nationwide, and certainly not a civil war.
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If Obama wins, then the country will still be headed in the wrong direction, and we will see bread lines and an economy worse than 1929.
Depends on the Congressional elections. If bho were to win, and get full control of Congress, then I'm afraid we are in for a rough ride.
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If Obama wins, the angry white people will finally speak up and rise up in protest - - i.e. a civil war.
If he wins, it would be in part due to white votes.
I'm not worried about any war--conservatives have all the guns. We'd only have the lib bodyguards to deal with, and most of them would probably come over to our side.
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This is an interesting subject and fun to discuss.
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Hey guys,
I wanted to share something with you all... Over at my part time job (small electrical company), we have a snack/candy delivery man who stops over to fill up the candy box for our customers from time to time. The guy is "out there" if you know what I mean... He's one of those whacked out, tin foil hat, secret gov't conspiracies, UFO's, etc... type of nutty people. My boss and I talk to him all the time whenever he comes in, and then chuckle at him after he leaves.
Anyway, the last time the guy was filling up the snack box on the counter, he was going off about Obama, his administration, the 2012 elections, etc... and he made my boss and I really sit back and think. "OMG... The guy is finally making sense!"
2012 is going to be a very bad year, like nothing we have ever seen in our lifetime.
I disagree with him on this. Yes, Obama and many Democrats are advocating spending us into a financial hole but many people are waking up and beginning to see through the class warfare smokescreen. People are starting to realize that this really is bigger than just Republican/democrat/independent and conservative/liberal/libertarian, etc.
I have had the chance to speak with some people following the Tea Party and the people I've spoken with are not former Republicans or even necessarily conservatives. They are people worried about the financial future and security of this country. They never got involved before or paid attention but now they are doing both. People are looking past the usual political smokescreen and considering the facts.
The blacks, the ultra left-wing liberals, ACORN, NAACP, etc... and going to do whatever to ensure Obama serves another term.
Yes, many of these people are doing just that. They've wanted to WIN for so long that now they are willing to destroy our financial well-being in the process. However, more and more blacks are realizing that they don't really have a black man in the White House, just another politician who is an insider and benefits from the political gravy train.
Obama is accomplishing something that no other politician has been able to accomplish--wake black people up to look around and see how they are being used for political gain and given crumbs in return.
If somehow Obama loses, we will see race riots far worse than in the 50's and early 60's or worse - - a civil war.
You'll hear a lot of smack talking from Jesse, Sharpton, Wright and the other instigators and perhaps see some marches or even sit-ins like OWS but the majority of people will be watching to see if things get better. If you look around carefully, you'll notice that many blacks have successfully integrated into America and are the Jacksons and Sharptons don't represent them. Many of these blacks are successful and not involved in sports at all. The discriminatory problems of the 50's and 60's are largely gone and eliminates much of the reasons to riot or march.
If Obama wins, then the country will still be headed in the wrong direction, and we will see bread lines and an economy worse than 1929.
If Obama is lucky enough to win (i.e. the Republican candidate blows what is arguably the Republicans race to win), I will be surprised if the Republicans don't pick up more seats in both houses and effectively stalemate Obama's chance to pass more idiotic legislation.
If Obama wins, the angry white people will finally speak up and rise up in protest - - i.e. a civil war.
This is simply ridiculous thinking. If the Fed goes off the deep end, I could see some states pushed to the point of seceding but I honestly don't see a civil war over it. It would give us the opportunity to live and hunt in states with much better managed game and have full 2nd amendment rights though.
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Like I said, that guy was going off on stuff and made you sit back and think!
What do you think?
I think that guy is taking some legitimate issues and concerns and turning them into some nuclear doomsday scenario, kind of like Y2K. Has he rotated out the C-rats he bought them or whatever long term meal of choice he invested in?
Our country is at a legitimate and genuine crossroads where we need to drive over the financial and civil rights cliff with Obama or pull back and change the path we follow. Obama's model (really a theory that he certainly hasn't proven successfully) requires infinite resources and philanthropy, kind of like some kind of community organizer who makes bank working with poor people and has no idea where the money comes from or that it isn't infinite.
I think this is an extremely interesting election and it will have a long reaching effect on the Democrats, Obama, the MSM and many other groups who will end up having some sunlight shined upon their activities. I also think it will result in many of the Republican establishment getting marked for recall/being voted out by frustrated Republican conservatives who will come to the conclusion that many elected Republicans are also part of the problem.
In essence, I see a huge opportunity with lots of promise whereas your food delivery guy has a much gloomier outlook. Just my 2 cents here but that's what I see. Anybody else?
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I can't speak for the demokrat troglodytes, but I can tell you there is a pervasive air of helplessness among the middle and upper classes. NOT the rich, who can afford to be liberal....but among those who have spent their lives in an attempt to attain a level of comfort in their lives and now see it either slipping thru their fingers or see themselves being relieved of it by the great unwashed. I can see limited revolts occurring...mostly in the inner cities where the leftist scumbags will go 'wilding' if Obama loses....but I see the decay as quick, steady, and very devastating, especially to personal wealth, retirement packages (401k's) and pensions both public and private. The Health Care initiative is not a done deal...companies are laying off to be able to cover the increased health care costs even now, just trying to keep up with the cost of doing business. Those who get to keep their jobs are seeing in the area of 10-20% increase in their premiums on even company subsidized health plans. Smaller businesses won't hire, until they get a better picture of what the future holds. I can tell you that folks will pick up their cash holdings and move; they will go to 'no income tax' states and even some will retire to other countries....Costa Rica....Belize....The Caribbean...where taxes are less and the cost of living not so restrictive. The middle class carries this country...so whether or not 'Joe Lunchbox' picks up his rifle and draws a bead on another amerikan will depend on how much they take from him, how damaged 'the world' becomes, and how threatened the middle class feels as a result of socialist policy and the abrogation of civil and property rights. This is the legacy of azzwholes voting for a POS socialist. We have a socialist community organizer at the helm of this great ship...NOT a leader of men. This coming year will be his legacy.
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I can tell you that folks will pick up their cash holdings and move; they will go to 'no income tax' states and even some will retire to other countries....Costa Rica....Belize....The Caribbean...where taxes are less and the cost of living not so restrictive.
Sounds good but......Expatriates living abroad still have to file US federal income taxes each and every year. The IRS wants their fair share of all money earned anywhere in the world.
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Sounds good but......Expatriates living abroad still have to file US federal income taxes each and every year. The IRS wants their fair share of all money earned anywhere in the world.
I'm not talking expatriates....I'm talking emigrating.
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A guy I know went to Belize. He is an expatriate and still has his US citizenship, still pays some taxes here but lives very well in a big house right on the ocean. Not sure it is very easy to just give up the US citizenship. I believe before you are allowed to the IRS get their pound of flesh.
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A guy I know went to Belize. He is an expatriate and still has his US citizenship, still pays some taxes here but lives very well in a big house right on the ocean. Not sure it is very easy to just give up the US citizenship. I believe before you are allowed to the IRS get their pound of flesh.
No matter. There are more and more of 'us' doing that sort of thing for their own financial survival. Another good place is Argentina...southern Chile....can live comfortably down there for not too much scratch. This is what the government is doing to people. These people choose this as a last resort (or next to last resort ?) as most don't want to give up their citizenship. I would just go, renounce my citizenship, wire transfer my assets into an account in my 'new home' and tell Comrade Sam to go pound sand. No pensions or anything to worry about...SS will be scrapin' bottom so that check will be easy to walk away from.... But people are doing it UNWILLINGLY but as a matter of necessity. Nobody who's 'natural born' ever really plans on leaving the USA for good...until now.
The candy delivery guy is a real piece of work, but, means no harm. He has said a lot of off the wall stuff before, and made my boss and I crack up laughing once he left.
But, he was just going on about Obama, the economy, etc... and that we'll be seeing some rough times ahead, unless Obama and Congress turn the country around (which I don't see them doing).
You have to admit though that, even though the guy was all doom and gloom, he does sort of make a point. I surely don't want to see this county destroyed and have to stand in a bread line and/or lose everything I got, like people did back in 1929!!
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No matter. There are more and more of 'us' doing that sort of thing for their own financial survival. Another good place is Argentina...southern Chile....can live comfortably down there for not too much scratch. This is what the government is doing to people. These people choose this as a last resort (or next to last resort ?) as most don't want to give up their citizenship. I would just go, renounce my citizenship, wire transfer my assets into an account in my 'new home' and tell Comrade Sam to go pound sand. No pensions or anything to worry about...SS will be scrapin' bottom so that check will be easy to walk away from.... But people are doing it UNWILLINGLY but as a matter of necessity. Nobody who's 'natural born' ever really plans on leaving the USA for good...until now.
There is actually quite a bit of info out there on this very subject. Most warn to do all the research because once you leave it can be very hard to come back if for instance the country you went to has a military coop and you lose all your property and money. In addition it is illegal to leave the US to avoid paying taxes. If you ever did have to return, you would be facing a huge tax with penalty bill. Look up what you have to do to "renounce your citizenship". The US government makes it easy to come in especially the illegals but try to get out.....
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