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Old 11-16-2011, 05:49 PM   #1
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Have you guys heard of this? This is disturbing. At the core, it really strikes at the approved uses of public land.

I've had some bad experiences with a game managment area that got turned into a multi-use area, even during hunting season.

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Obama Pushing Shooters Off Public Lands

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Gun owners who have historically been able to use public lands for target practice would be barred from potentially millions of acres under new rules drafted by the Interior Department, the first major move by the Obama administration to impose limits on firearms.
Officials say the administration is concerned about the potential clash between gun owners and encroaching urban populations who like to use same land for hiking and dog walking.
"It's not so much a safety issue. It's a social conflict issue," said Frank Jenks, a natural resource specialist with Interior's Bureau of Land Management, which oversees 245 million acres. He adds that urbanites "freak out" when they hear shooting on public lands. [Read about the subpoena issued as a result of Operation Fast and Furious.]
If the draft policy is finally approved, some public access to Bureau lands to hunters would also be limited, potentially reducing areas deer, elk, and hunters can use in the West.
Conservationists and hunting groups, however, are mounting a fight. One elite group of conservationists that advises Interior and Agriculture is already pushing BLM to junk the regulations, claiming that shooters are being held to a much higher safety standard than other users of public lands, such as ATV riders.
"They are just trying to make it so difficult for recreational shooters," said Gary Kania, vice president of the Congressional Sportsmen's Foundation. His group is one of several, including the National Wildlife Foundation, Cabela's and Ducks Unlimited, on the Wildlife and Hunting Heritage Conservation Council fighting the new rules. During a two-day meeting ending this afternoon, they are drafting their own changes to the BLM rules.
"What we probably are going to be looking forward to is a reversal," said Kania. Asked about how to handle people who freak out when they hear shots on public lands, Kania said, "I don't know how to quanitify 'freaking out,'" and noted that he's seen people panicing when fly fishing in float tubes but nobody wants to ban then from rivers.
BLM actually invited the fight, seeking the council's comments. But officials suggested to Whispers that no changes are being planned to the draft regulations.
Over five pages, the draft BLM regulations raise concerns about how shooting can cause a "public disturbance." They also raise worries about how shooting and shooters can hurt plants and litter public lands.
This is the key paragraph foes say could lead to shooters being kicked off public lands:
"When the authorized officer determines that a site or area on BLM-managed lands used on a regular basis for recreational shooting is creating public disturbance, or is creating risk to other persons on public lands; is contributing to the defacement, removal or destruction of natural features, native plants, cultural resources, historic structures or government and/or private property; is facilitating or creating a condition of littering, refuse accumulation and abandoned personal property is violating existing use restrictions, closure and restriction orders, or supplementary rules notices, and reasonable attempts to reduce or eliminate the violations by the BLM have been unsuccessful, the authorized officer will close the affected area to recreational shooting." [Check out new Debate Club about whether Congress needs to overhaul gun trafficking laws.]
Squeezing out shooters, says the draft policy, is needed because, "As the West has become more populated, recreational shooters now often find themselves in conflict with other public lands users, and the BLM is frequently called on to mediate these conflicts."
At yesterday's meeting at Interior, the council balked at the BLM draft regulations, adding that the Obama administration was not being fair to shooters on the issue of safety.
In a draft retort to BLM, the council said other users of public land aren't required to be as safe as shooters. They note that shooters have a much lower injury rate than others, like ATV users. "The policy fails to recognize that recreational shooting has one of the lowest incidences of death and injury compared to virtually any other outdoor recreational activity. The policy is prejudicial and discriminatory to target shooters as compared to other recreationists," said the council's draft response, expected to be finalized today.
What's more, the group charged that the BLM is acting in a contradictory fashion, encouraging the shooting sports while limiting shooting areas.
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Old 11-16-2011, 05:57 PM   #2
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Wow, those folks who freak out wouldn't want to live next to me. It's been awhile since I've shot skeet off my deck but my neighbor, 100 yards away, restores riffles for vets. They must shoot 10 rounds before ready to ship out. That means shots any day of any week. Let me just say they sound like a cannon going off. Lol.
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Old 11-16-2011, 06:17 PM   #3
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Just saw an NRA alert about this. Seems Obama is preparing for possible defeat in November, in part, by ramming through as much gun control as possible.

It's pretty insulting to suggest that hunters and shooters would somehow damage or destroy plants and the like. I'm sorry, but who's been watching over these lands for the past hundred years? Please, not only do we go out of our way to protect the environment so it's not trashed the next time we come out, but we know which plants are which and need to be avoided and protected.

The idiots who trash public lands are the yahoos from the city that 1) don't seem to know all that much about the natural world and 2) view rural areas as their dumping grounds.

There are already enough public parks out there that prohibit guns and shooting. Let the weekend warriors go there.
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Old 11-16-2011, 06:58 PM   #4
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"It's not so much a safety issue. It's a social conflict issue," said Frank Jenks, a natural resource specialist with Interior's Bureau of Land Management, which oversees 245 million acres. He adds that urbanites "freak out" when they hear shooting on public lands.
Are these the same people who watch violent movies with lots of shooting, etc.? It sounds like this guy is not completely objective.
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Old 11-17-2011, 02:24 AM   #5
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Great point cal.
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Dont know about anywhere else and Im sure theres a difference between state and federal public lands but here hunters and fishermen more or less cover the bills for these public lands through taxes and license sales.
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About 650 million acres ( fed) public lands in the west i believe- some states are upward of 50% federal lands-(70% for Ak, 85% for Nv i think) of there total lands.Many like Wy are used by ppl from all over the US for hunting of all kinds- not just target shooting.

As long as we have ppl like o ba ma ( and his faithfull anti gun/hunting-followers) in office these things will be threatened.
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Many lands or at least improved access was bought using Pittman-Robertson Act money for hunting lands and Dingell Johnson money for fishing access. This money came in part from the tax on the sale of hunting and fishing equipment. Through the years many fishing access areas have become more multi use to the detriment of the fishermen. Same with areas which were designed for hunting and are now suitable for hiking, bird watching and other outdoor activities. I have seen hunting areas in this state become designated wilderness areas which prohibit motorized travel and even logging resulting in sterile lands suitable for hikers not hunters. Hunters often lose traditional use when special interest groups get involved. Small loses equal large loses in the end.
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I myself have seen no sterile lands ( no matter what happned to it- biggest hottest forest fires(yellowstone), mt st helens or rare chernobyl like events( still hot but going down there, plant & wildlife are thriving-mother nature will have her way i think)

Liberal land grabs been going on for yrs & still is.

http://thenewamerican.com/usnews/pol...es-in-the-west

Obama Administration Set to Seize Millions of Acres in the West


http://truthbeforedishonor.wordpress...ma-land-grabs/

Carter, Clinton And Obama Land Grabs



Lets make it all one big park( have sing alongs & roast tufu by the campfire Cumbya( ops second tought camp fires are bad bad make the planet melt to( polute air ,water & lungs- maybe just organtic sweaters & nuts( arnt we eating there babys?) & raw tufu( no othe knowen toxins allowed either)
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I myself have seen no sterile lands ( no matter what happned to it- biggest hottest forest fires(yellowstone), mt st helens or rare chernobyl like events( still hot but going down there, plant & wildlife are thriving-mother nature will have her way i think)
Sterile lands at least here in the east are mature woods without any understory. Without logging the trees just get large and shade out all the things that deer eat. We call it a sterile woods but it is not dead but there isn't any food. Deer can't live on trees that don't have buds or branches they can't reach. Selective logging removes many of the mature trees for the log wood and the resulting open space lets in the sunlight and allows wild berry bushes, soft woods and small trees which are an abundant food source. We don't have the forest fires like out west which serve to promote new growth.
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