So, should we now pay for student loans?

[Fieldmouse]

Since the housing collapse, we have been paying for billions of loans and now are on the hook for hundreds of billions more in mortgages. Obama now wants the tax payers to pay for student loans by capping just how much a new grad should be forced to pay.

Hey left, hd, Phil, sal, why should we pay for useless degrees?

[RobertSubnet]

So, should we now pay for student loans?

No. When you pay for something, anything, you tend to be more responsible and thoughtful in your choices. When someone else pays...well what does it matter?

[bergall]

I think this sort of 'free ride' is characteristic of the parasitic left. SOMEBODY is always left holding the bag. A college education is not a right, although Americans are free to choose it, and have the liberty to pursue it. How about something in exchange for that rather large nut....like maybe...military service ? Why should the government not benefit from their investment by conscripting the people whose bills they've paid ? I understand there are all sorts of G.I. programs that could assist a vet AFTER his service...but how about BEFORE his service ? Upon graduation, it's Parris Island/Fort Jackson/Lackland AFB/Great Lakes/CapeMay..... Hehehhe....see how the little leeches feel about serving the country that paid their way to 'enlightenment'.

[Knightia]

Have to agree with the 2 above posts compleatly( and are some of the same things i have have said on the subject not long ago on this forum)

Free money for collage? Hell no. You want something give someing- get a job. Join the military. Make road base i dont care - i know plenty of big rocks that can be made into small rocks etc.

The young mush brains of today tend to be spoiled, sheltered & so on from what i can see( no not all).

I seen plenty going to school & thinking its now party time now that ma &da arent to close by& there out of the house & act as thats there main goal there.

Seen plently with degrees they do nothing withto- i dont assume because someone gets a higher education chance they will be more productive ppl- esp when someone else is paying for it all.( as mentioned above ppl tend to be wastfull when things are handed to them & it comes to easy)

[Knightia]

They know what the loans cost before hand - why the big suprize at the end?

They know what those morgages cost( or should) why the big suprize?
My mmate put herself threw nursing school- living & working at the teaching hospital while going to the university part time- no one including her parents gave her a dime( she helped them out a bit,even though her dad had a real good paying job)

[bergall]

Originally Posted by Knightia

They know what the loans cost before hand - why the big suprize at the end?

They know what those morgages cost( or should) why the big suprize?
My mmate put herself threw nursing school- living & working at the teaching hospital while going to the university part time- no one including her parents gave her a dime( she helped them out a bit,even though her dad had a real good paying job)

I'm going to play 'devil's advocate' and say that in the case of student loans, some observations:
1: no loans for liberal arts degrees...what jobs are to be had with
one of these ?

2: even with some of the more popular degree programs, the
availability of entry-level jobs can be quite low so, for instance,
for graphic artists or web-programmers, the pay for these
recently expatriated jobs is quite low...certainly low enough to
present great hardship once the 'bill comes due' on those loans

3: a great number of colllege programs are money-makers with no
real payoff for the graduate. For instance, why would I pay
$160,000 for a degree in 'Latin American culture' ? There is no
shortage of native Spanish-speaking people here, there is no
such thing as 'latin america' if you really wanna know...that's
OUR construct of the lands south of us...each of those 'latin
american' countries is separate and distinct with it's own
history, customs and in many cases, it's own indigenous people.
Yet, kids line up for the loans...for jobs that MIGHT pay out
40-50k. How does a kid graduating from Georgetown with
huge colllege loan bills, maintain a lifestyle in D.C. without
defaulting ?

Fact is, that a college education is now seen as 'mandatory', when it never was before. Certainly, many companies will not even consider hiring an un-degreed candidate fostering the necessity for university. So these loans are becoming considered as part of the cost of living so people can transition from dependency to self-sufficiency. They are taken 'matter of factly' and in many cases, people say 'they can't get blood from a stone' so if I can't find a job, how can they compel me to pay anything if I don't have anything ? It's a topsy turvy world we live in now....there was actually a time when kids did not go to college and just went to work. But then, there were more low-level and/or entry-level jobs to take....at least it seems that way.

[Knightia]

HEr dad worked at chevy- but come to think of it even her4 brothers didnt go to work there( he never bought gm products either)

You make some real good point up there Berg

She has told me as a female her job hopes where limited back then( early 60,s) & nursing was seen as a get way to get out & ahead- but not a whole lot of non tratitional choices as a female( a controling repressive father prob didnt help much)

She coulld have easly been a Dr no problem.

1: no loans for liberal arts degrees...what jobs are to be had with
one of these ?

Yep i agree.

All those courses that she had to take( to get a higher nursing degree & more pay) that where unrelated to the medical field & care- pppff.

She says they only come in handy while watching jeporady etc lol

[Knightia]

Fact is, that a college education is now seen as 'mandatory', when it never was before

Yes i know what you mean.
Imo nothing wrong with being a welder, house builder etc etc

My step dad was a ladys man( gentlemen playboy,mamasboy) barber & even though we had very little, lived inone of the worse parts of the city(including later when we lived with his mom even less we had) he didnt believe in getting his hands dirty( not just a strange phobia,a lifestyle thing)

He would ask me if i wanted to be a ditch digger when i grew up( im not like him at all when it comes to hard/dirty work) He didnt even tell me about all the heavy equipmet i could useto back then.

[But then, there were more low-level and/or entry-level jobs to take....at least it seems that way.
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Yep was where i lived growing up- good paying to at Chevy, ford, all the steel mills,factory etc (mystepdad refused to do that kind of work)

[Knightia]

It was kinda ironic/funny i think after most of us where growen or gone ( no longer needed his( he never gave my grandparents a nything) money as a parent for basic needs like food & cloths etc.( couldnt do it for the kids)

He( stepdad) went to work on the great lakes ore & grain shipps etc for about 20 yrs or so working his way up( made real good money to) as a fireman, oiler michinist etc

And all because some mob guy was going to get him & mess him up for messing with there wife( gf?)- better lay low & leave town- fear can be a great motivator.

[emptyquiver2]

There was a study done on this subject that drew a parallel between the rising cost of a college education and the higher amount of donations made to the DNC by these institiutions over the years. It was stated that it was a move by the Leftwing academia to cultivate an economic problem that would lead us to the point we are today. It was in fact, a plan to implode the system and force a change that would swing the country firmly toward the Left. Although sounding bizarre, one has to agree that some if not most teaching in colleges, are in their own right bizarre and out of the mainstream themselves.