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Old 10-23-2011, 09:41 AM   #1
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Cool Hey! Another Confederate flag type flap.

Texas wants to allow Texans to put a symbol commemorating Confederate veterans of the Civil War on their license plates.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/10/23...est=latestnews

Can someone please explain to me why folks should not be allowed to pay extra to put a symbol honoring Confederate veterans of the Civil War on their license plates?
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Old 10-23-2011, 10:20 AM   #2
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Had a guy buy the property next to mine this past spring. He's from South Carolina, and flies his Confederate flag everyday, in fact, I don't think he has ever lowered it. Anyway it sits between my Stars and Stripes along w/ my POW/MIA, and the neighbors Stars and Stripes on his other side. Nobody has said a word to him.
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Old 10-23-2011, 10:28 AM   #3
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Two different issues going here. License plate designs should be something a state has control over as the state issues the plates and regulates them. That should be a state of Texas decision, not one that any of us make. I'm not saying I necessarily agree with them allowing the plate design BUT I don't think non-Texans should be involved in that decision.

The issue of flying a rebel flag is totally different. When it's legal for illegal Mexican immigrants to burn American flags on U.S. soil and fly Mexican flags above the American flag, then I don't think anybody anywhere in this country has a right to tell some descendant of a confederate war veteran (I'm making a small assumption here) that it's illegal for them to fly a confederate flag. I don't own a confederate flag and am not saying I agree with their flying one BUT fair is fair. This is a freedom of speech issue, just like those illegal immigrants burning an American flag.
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Old 10-23-2011, 10:55 AM   #4
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Can someone please explain to me why folks should not be allowed to pay extra to put a symbol honoring Confederate veterans of the Civil War on their license plates?
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i totally agree. Folks in the US are allowed to commemorate nearly anything on their license plates; except this one. i'm a member of the Sons of Confederate Veterans. Two of my ancestors fought for the Confederacy: Four gg-uncles were killed fighting for the Confederacy. i want a license plate that includes the stars and bars.


At least 12 of my ancestors fought on the winning side in the Revolutionary War. My sister was turned down by the Daughters of the American Revolution when she supplied a lineage that included a Confederate soldier. She re-applied based on another family line and was accepted.

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Old 10-23-2011, 09:44 PM   #5
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Two different issues going here. License plate designs should be something a state has control over as the state issues the plates and regulates them. That should be a state of Texas decision, not one that any of us make. I'm not saying I necessarily agree with them allowing the plate design BUT I don't think non-Texans should be involved in that decision.

The issue of flying a rebel flag is totally different. When it's legal for illegal Mexican immigrants to burn American flags on U.S. soil and fly Mexican flags above the American flag, then I don't think anybody anywhere in this country has a right to tell some descendant of a confederate war veteran (I'm making a small assumption here) that it's illegal for them to fly a confederate flag. I don't own a confederate flag and am not saying I agree with their flying one BUT fair is fair. This is a freedom of speech issue, just like those illegal immigrants burning an American flag.
No he isn't a descendant, but I thought I mentioned that I never said a word about it, let alone thought it was illegal, or that he should take it down.
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Old 10-24-2011, 03:30 AM   #6
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I still think it should be illegal for anyone to burn a US flag on American soil. At least when they do it in defiance. There comes a point when we have to set a line, and say enough is enough.

At the least it should be a reason for immediate deportation and barring them from being in the US legally (a joke with how open our borders are currently, I know). It would be a start with bringing back some of the pride of the nation we live in.
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Old 10-24-2011, 06:04 AM   #7
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The ones opposing it are black; those are the ones that cause racial tension in our state. If they could leave things alone we would all get along just fine. It’s when they like to stir the pot then the spit hits the fan!

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Old 10-24-2011, 06:16 AM   #8
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Seems to me, the display of the confederate battle flag (The Stars and Bars...which is NOT the official flag of the confederacy) is a demonstration of the defiance to federalism as well as the pride in having served honorably in the military action known as The War Between the States. I have no problem with the flying of that flag, or it's incorporation into various state flags as a component. No reason to NOT be proud of the service and defiance that was fought for...we need more of that sort of mindset nowadays anyway.....

The Stars and Bars was a confederate battle flag, and was never a flag of the confederacy:


the flag of the Confederate States of America, the FIRST flag (of which there were a number of generations in succession):
flag #1 with 7 stars:


flag #2 with 9 stars:


flag #3 with 11 stars:


flag #4 with 13 stars:



flag #5, The Stainless Banner, identified as the 2nd national flag:



Flag #6, the "Blood Stained Banner"....reduced the amount of white in the flag so it'd not be mistaken for a flag of truce:





as a 'yankee', why has a 'battle flag' become the symbol of 'southern pride', and not any of the flags adopted by the government of the U.S. Confederate States of America ?
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Old 10-25-2011, 09:23 AM   #9
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to fly a battle flag, full of stars representing their states, half of which were lost in the first two years. For all that bravery, New Orleans, Memphis, Nashville and western Virginia got lost pretty quickly.
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to fly a battle flag, full of stars representing their states, half of which were lost in the first two years. For all that bravery, New Orleans, Memphis, Nashville and western Virginia got lost pretty quickly.

So what ? That's not the point. My ancestors were not a part of that but I could see where there might be pride over what was attempted, and a reverence for the ones who gave up their lives in the attempt. I can also understand grudges over the way people were treated post-bellum and the spirit of anti government resistance, and the flying of such symbols. There is no purpose in pushing for the suppression of such things, as it only serves to foment more resentment. Like I said, I'm not a part of it, but I can sympathize and would not deny anyone so inclined, to display what they consider 'Southern Pride' or 'heritage'. Why not ? If we can allow filthy illegal aliens to fly a foreign flag over the Stars and Stripes on American soil, there should not even be a question about whether or not we can tolerate a display of 'southern pride'.
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