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Old 07-27-2011, 09:40 AM   #1
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Cool These atheists need a hobby

They're protesting the erection of a cross at the WTC site.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/07/27...t-11-memorial/

I'm a convert. I didn't grow up Christian. (Shinto if you must know) But I never found the sight of a cross offensive.

The Christian symbol of the cross reflects an important part of America's historical and spiritual traditions.

You don't have to be a Christian to understand and appreciate that.
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Old 07-27-2011, 10:24 AM   #2
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To me, it's simple. I have a very evil tendency to respond in kind +1.
So, if a minority is going to attempt to dictate the majority, it loses it's 'influence'.
In this case, I'd erect the cross....and beat the plaintiff to a bloody pulp just for making the attempt. I know...I know....it's an idea situation....

Seriously tho'....the "LAW" is here to protect minorities and those holding wacko opinions.
THe protection is to be from the depredations of the majority who may find minority opinions ridiculous or offensive. It is NOT meant to dictate the delicate sensibilities of the minority to the majority against it's will. It is also not meant to 'protect' the minority from 'feeling badly' or being 'offended' at the sight of something. That's pure crap fomented and furthered by the leftist crapbags of this country and none other.

And actually, the atheists do not need a hobby. They need to understand the power of the majority and their place in the grand scheme of things.
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Old 07-27-2011, 10:34 AM   #3
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Do we need legislation which would limit the ability of such fringe groups to attempt to impose it's will on the majority ? NOrmally, it would be unimaginable, because people traditionally regulated their baser instincts but nowadays, with fringe groups pushing for greater power and influence to dictate to 'The People', is a law needed to protect the MAJORITY ?????
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Old 07-27-2011, 09:11 PM   #4
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So, if I understand this correctly Atheisim should be considered a cult like Wicca and not a religious organization but they want the same rights. Even though I think the Wiccens are more of a true following then Atheist. Atheist are intimidated by any religion that believes in a higher power yet they have no beliefs other than religious persucution on their non belief. What am I missing? Maybe the Texas Govenor has a better idea;

The measure, which goes into effect Sept. 1, will levy fees on unsuccessful plaintiffs and allowing meritless suits to be dismissed early in the process. Perry made the measure a top priority for the Legislature, saying Texas needs to crack down on junk lawsuits. Some plaintiffs who sue and lose will be required to pay the court costs and attorney fees of those they are suing.

http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=news/politics&id=8273535

Since conceptions of atheism vary, determining how many atheists exist in the world today is no easy task. According to one estimate, about 2.3% of the world's population are atheists, while a further 11.9% are nonreligous. According to another, rates of self-reported atheism are among the highest in Western nations, although also to quite varying degrees—United States (4%), Italy (7%), Spain (11%), Great Britain (17%), Germany (20%), and France (32%).

A piece left standing in the rubble of 911 becomes an icon of the mass destruction and a symbolism of faith is so controversal that it should not be allowed because it may fall into a basis of seperation. Have we really stupped to such a level that all crosses should be removed from all areas of the U.S. to appease the offended! When you come for my Father’s or any family member that served this country, or their religious belief I will be prepared for the fight!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2019048/Atheists-file-lawsuit-Christian-symbol-placed-permanently-WTC-memorial.html

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Old 07-28-2011, 03:25 AM   #5
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"The WTC cross has become a Christian icon. It has been blessed by so-called holy men and presented as a reminder that their god, who couldn't be bothered to stop the Muslim terrorists or prevent 3,000 people from being killed in his name, cared only enough to bestow upon us some rubble that resembles a cross," the group's president, Dave Silverman, said in a press release. "It's a truly ridiculous assertion."


Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/07/27...#ixzz1TOiK45aI


Only man can take a dump and blame God when they step in it. If God wasn't there isn't the reason for it that they threw Him out? Suppose that over the years He's prevented millions of attacks, would these people give Him any credit? If I was deciding this case I'd throw them out.
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Old 07-28-2011, 04:49 AM   #6
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I could not agree with you more. My comments in red, below....

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So, if I understand this correctly Atheisim should be considered a cult like Wicca and not a religious organization but they want the same rights. Even though I think the Wiccens are more of a true following then Atheist. Atheist are intimidated by any religion that believes in a higher power yet they have no beliefs other than religious persucution on their non belief. What am I missing? Maybe the Texas Govenor has a better idea;
It gets better, because the Wiccans are recognized as a bona-fide religion. Being an Atheist is to NOT have ANY religion or religious affiliations. So you are correct that these pukes want to be afforded the same protections as recognized religions, but maintain they are NOT a religion. I maintain that Atheism is a tenet of the Left, which allows for their abominable world-view; you cannot condemn abhorrent behavior if all behavior is ok, and it is this judgment they seek to avoid. I understand that only GOD makes the final judgment, but we all judge each other based on strength of character, morality, and any number of other measures...


The measure, which goes into effect Sept. 1, will levy fees on unsuccessful plaintiffs and allowing meritless suits to be dismissed early in the process. Perry made the measure a top priority for the Legislature, saying Texas needs to crack down on junk lawsuits. Some plaintiffs who sue and lose will be required to pay the court costs and attorney fees of those they are suing.

http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=news/politics&id=8273535

I applaud the Governor for his good sense. He is, it seems, the only person I've heard about in a long time who seeks to limit the kind of garbage which bogs down our legal system with inconsequential trash.



Since conceptions of atheism vary, determining how many atheists exist in the world today is no easy task. According to one estimate, about 2.3% of the world's population are atheists, while a further 11.9% are nonreligous. According to another, rates of self-reported atheism are among the highest in Western nations, although also to quite varying degrees—United States (4%), Italy (7%), Spain (11%), Great Britain (17%), Germany (20%), and France (32%).
I do not equate non-religious people with atheists. I consider them 'lapsed' from the practice of the religion of their parents. This is a far cry from atheism...the 'non-religious' are, far and away, living very close to the tenets of the religion they were born into, insofar as the holidays they celebrate, the values they hold, the morals they practice. I do not believe any of them believe life ends at the grave and their destiny is to become fertilizer. The atheists, on the other hand, being bereft of such religious benefits, have to cobble together a 'modus operandi' for a life without a higher power or any codified standards of behavior other than that which is considered the local 'law of the land'. This plays very well into the leftist playbook reasons already stated.

A piece left standing in the rubble of 911 becomes an icon of the mass destruction and a symbolism of faith is so controversal that it should not be allowed because it may fall into a basis of seperation. Have we really stupped to such a level that all crosses should be removed from all areas of the U.S. to appease the offended! When you come for my Father’s or any family member that served this country, or their religious belief I will be prepared for the fight!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2019048/Atheists-file-lawsuit-Christian-symbol-placed-permanently-WTC-memorial.html
....and fight we should ! Why would ANYONE allow an infinitesimally small minority of the population dictate their sensibilities to the majority ? The law disallows the majority from oppressing, persecuting or exterminating them, but other than that, their protections end there !

Ignorance infuriates me and politics makes me incendiary so I try to keep my opinions to myself until I need to step in and add mine.
same and same, but unlike you, I open my mouth wide enough to swallow my booted foot every time....I can't keep my mouth shut, especially when there's an atrocity (like this abrogation of OUR first amendment rights) that literally screams to be addressed. This is one such atrocity.
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Old 07-29-2011, 11:46 PM   #7
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I could not agree with you more. My comments in red, below....
I do not equate non-religious people with atheists. I consider them 'lapsed' from the practice of the religion of their parents. This is a far cry from atheism...the 'non-religious' are, far and away, living very close to the tenets of the religion they were born into, insofar as the holidays they celebrate, the values they hold, the morals they practice. I do not believe any of them believe life ends at the grave and their destiny is to become fertilizer. The atheists, on the other hand, being bereft of such religious benefits, have to cobble together a 'modus operandi' for a life without a higher power or any codified standards of behavior other than that which is considered the local 'law of the land'. This plays very well into the leftist playbook reasons already stated.

I agree and although I have never met an Atheist those that claimed they were non religious stated they did not subscribe to any religion. But, explained that they believed in a higher power and considered themselves to be spiritual.


same and same, but unlike you, I open my mouth wide enough to swallow my booted foot every time....
Thanks for the laugh! I tend to stick my boot in my mouth just hoping I do not blurt out what I am truly feeling!
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Old 07-29-2011, 11:55 PM   #8
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Thanks for the laugh! I tend to stick my boot in my mouth just hoping I do not blurt out what I am truly feeling!
Hehehe...... my size 11's appear to fit with room to spare !
You see my posts....I don't really hide what Im feeling at the time,
and it's obvious I LIKE the taste of 'shoe'.
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