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Old 06-29-2011, 02:12 AM   #1
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Default Fast and Furious Gun Sting

http://video.foxnews.com/v/102875776...ylist_id=87485

http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...d-furious.html

"Thanks to a clever bipartisan deal, embattled ATF chief Kenneth Melson will testify before Congress about his role in the bungled Fast and Furious gun sting—possibly revealing who on Obama’s team was in on the scheme."

Melson apparently doesn't want to be the "fall guy", but hopefully it won't stop at some other "fall guy".

I don't see how Holder didn't know about this, and if he did know, I would think Obama would have known also.
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Old 06-29-2011, 03:00 AM   #2
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I wouldn't assume that Obama is aware of every little activity in which his underlings are engaged. But it is an established tradition that the captain takes responsibility for the ship. It was the captain who was blamed when the Exxon Valdez ran aground even though he was taking a perfectly legal nap at the time.
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I thought it was already revealed Holder knew. I heard that weeks ago. The question is whether Obama did. He will be well protected.
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I thought it was already revealed Holder knew. I heard that weeks ago. The question is whether Obama did. He will be well protected.
I can't imagine that Obama did not know. He would have been poised to capitalize on a result indicating we need more restrictive gun laws...I would imagine he was sitting there with bated breath, waiting for his justification to kill gun rights in this country at Mexico's behest.

If you SMELL a skunk, then there IS a skunk and sure as God made little green apples, the "Prince of Fools" was involved and gave the go-ahead...he will be happy to allow other fools to fall on the sword to save his sorry and cowardly hide.
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Old 06-29-2011, 08:51 AM   #5
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Its a lose-lose for Obama, the question is will the Republicans be shrewd enough to make hay with this windfall. If Obama did know, that reflects very poorly on him. If Obama did NOT know, that isn't a whole lot better -- what, he is no more in control of things than to have literally loose canons high up in his administration?

Further, notwithstanding Obama's blow-back from this, hopefully it will come out that the motivation was in fact to promote anti-gun legislation. If that becomes acknowledged and public, that has to be a blow to the anti-gun ideology and political faction.
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I thought it was already revealed Holder knew. I heard that weeks ago. The question is whether Obama did. He will be well protected.
Holder got grilled about it, but he says he didn't know about it.

I'm wondering what Melson will have to say.

http://articles.latimes.com/2011/jun...-guns-20110624

He's had about 2 weeks to take the fall for it. We still don't know who authorized it/thought it was a good idea.

What do you guys think about this being the most transparent presidency ever?



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"I just want you to know that we are working on it," Brady recalled the president telling them. "We have to go through a few processes, but under the radar."

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This presidency is a world-class embarrassment on so many levels, it boggles the mind.
I was in Italy last year...a frikkin' socialist country....and they laugh and snicker that we have a blooming idiot for our president, but more importantly, they are even more contemptuous of the scum who elected him. Imagine that....being a source of never ending amusement by Euro trash... Cripes this nightmare can't end soon enough.
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The question here is, what can be proved? Once we know that, we know who to punish for the farce of a program.

I just can't imagine an operation of that scope and magnitude wasn't authorized by the head of ATF. Really, can a regional section of the ATF just run with that kind of cash? If it can, then the head of the organization still should be punished for the falling apart of the agency they are supposed to be overseeing.
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Like I said, weeks ago Holder was implicated by someone. Sorry, I can not remember. It's because it didn't surprise me as anything new.
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Old 06-29-2011, 07:33 PM   #10
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Like I said, weeks ago Holder was implicated by someone. Sorry, I can not remember. It's because it didn't surprise me as anything new.
No one implicated Holder. If this was the case, it would have been all over the news. While the MSM has been lukewarm on this, they would have brought attention to that.

Did you look at the video I showed? Issa says he had to of known, and that was posted on June 28.

http://www.newsmax.com/InsideCover/I...6/23/id/401183

There's this too.

"Issa has been sharply critical of the Fast and Furious operation and has called for the resignation of ATF acting Director Kenneth Melson.
Referring to the Justice Department’s alleged efforts to plant the Issa story, Hill told Newsmax: “There are serious questions of integrity at the Justice Department right now."

DOJ was also stonewalling by not letting Melson testify. Melson is the highest official known so far to be balls deep in it.

And it was brought up in Obama brief:

http://thehill.com/homenews/house/16...ing-operation-

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“My attorney general has made clear that he certainly would not have ordered gun running to be able to pass through into Mexico,” Obama said.

“President Obama's remarks today on Operation Fast and Furious were disappointing,” Issa said in a statement.

“There was no sign of urgency to provide answers or explain why no one at the Justice Department has accepted responsibility for authorizing an illegal gunwalking operation six months after Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry's murder.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRSlofFd_DQ

Holder got grilled about it awhile ago, but he claimed he didn't know about it.
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