More examples of a government out of fricking control. Why should we pay for union officials at the bargaining table. Why aren't union dues covering this bill?
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Ronald Reagan: 'Everybody that is for abortion has already been born'
"I never said I was worth it. I only said I wouldn't do it for less " William F. Buckley Jr.
Well, they could meet after hours. But most of the administrators don't want to do that.
So, instead of meeting after hours they had to address the issue of union workers violating their work duties. So the concept of union time was born. Thank the administrators who don't want to work later hours. Had they not made the concession then it would never have become a reality.
Fox News really dropped the ball on that article with not getting the history of the language. Any costs born to taxpayers by the language comes from those in charge, and not the union workers. They are blaming the wrong people here.
My union has that language as well, but because the majority of all meetings were moved to the evenings (when they were available for all parties) then the union time stopped getting used, and we left days of time unused. It's language that while it is there, if the administration really wants to, they could move many of the meetings into the evenings. I have yet to see any language requiring union meetings with administration to be held during the day. In fact, most contracts have languages specifically stating meetings are to be held during non-work hours.
It's called union time. What part of that don't you understand? That is official union business that should be handled by union dues not the tax payers. When administrators are meeting, they are representing we the tax payers, so we pay them for that representation. So if union folks insist on being paid by the tax payers, they should just shut up and listen to their masters!
It's too bad you can't understand the difference and who represents whom. It due to all those years of having your chronie sitting opostie you negotiators. Then you wonder why there is a backlash. Perhaps you might want to consider taking a class in logic!
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John Adams “The moment the idea is admitted into society that property is not as sacred as the laws of God, and that there is not a force of law and public justice to protect it, anarchy and tyranny commence.”
Ronald Reagan: 'Everybody that is for abortion has already been born'
"I never said I was worth it. I only said I wouldn't do it for less " William F. Buckley Jr.
I explained everything to you in plain and simple terms. The logic used doesn't get more simple or sound. What was not logical was the statement you made that caused me to ask the question above.
The facts are the facts about how the practice began. Get angry at the people in charge for holding meetings in the day.
Let's face it, if an employee gets asked to meet in the day, or at night, then they will almost always meet in the day. It's more convenient. Instead of blaming the workers, maybe you should blame those in charge. They do get first crack at setting meeting times because they are the "busy" ones after all.
Oh, and the Dane County circuit judge struck down the "Budget Repair Bill" for violating the Wisconsin states open meeting laws. Apparently the other state representatives (from both parties) who told the Republican senators what they were doing was illegal were correct. While the case has been moved to the state supreme court, it should not change anything at this point.
Too funny. You really do need a logic course don't you? This has nothing to do with time of day. This has everything to do with purpose of the meeting. They are meeting to discuss official union business. Why should the taxpayers pay for union representation? As long as the taxpayer is paying those union representatives, they should only represent us and our position, IE the term master comes into play. It's amazing just how deep into our pockets union scum need to dig.
Now your going to bring up a union hack judge and call it real justice? I've already successfully pointed out. This is out of her jusridction. It's called separation of powers. When her kangaroo court ruling is over turned by the state supreme court, I will remind you of this fact.
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John Adams “The moment the idea is admitted into society that property is not as sacred as the laws of God, and that there is not a force of law and public justice to protect it, anarchy and tyranny commence.”
Ronald Reagan: 'Everybody that is for abortion has already been born'
"I never said I was worth it. I only said I wouldn't do it for less " William F. Buckley Jr.
I gave you the reason for the time of the meeting. if you can't accept facts, then you can't accept reality. You have become the conservative hockeydad.
I gave you the reason for the time of the meeting. if you can't accept facts, then you can't accept reality. You have become the conservative hockeydad.
Congratulations on that!
So, you have now proven you failed in your argument. Now you throw out the name calling. Typical!
FYI, it was a dumb law passed by a the worst president in history (until Obama ) that changed it. funny, and you actually claim you can read. It has nothing to do with time of day. There is no logic involved in that. You even claim to have taken a "Logic" class. You certainly need to demand a refund. The law needs to be changed back to we the tax payers not paying for Union time in negotiation.
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John Adams “The moment the idea is admitted into society that property is not as sacred as the laws of God, and that there is not a force of law and public justice to protect it, anarchy and tyranny commence.”
Ronald Reagan: 'Everybody that is for abortion has already been born'
"I never said I was worth it. I only said I wouldn't do it for less " William F. Buckley Jr.
Here you go Sfury since your reading comprehension isn't living up to your bragging.
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The provision was included in a law passed by Congress in 1978, signed by President Jimmy Carter. The law stipulated time on the clock could be used as long as that time is negotiated with management and is agreed "to be reasonable, necessary, and in the public interest."
Since when is it ever in the public interest to pay for the very people who are negotiating oposite of our best interest?
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John Adams “The moment the idea is admitted into society that property is not as sacred as the laws of God, and that there is not a force of law and public justice to protect it, anarchy and tyranny commence.”
Ronald Reagan: 'Everybody that is for abortion has already been born'
"I never said I was worth it. I only said I wouldn't do it for less " William F. Buckley Jr.
The amount of time was agreed upon by every single different union, by every single administrative group that agreed to it. At different times specific to each side sitting at the table.
This means that every union that has the language agreed upon it individually. Every Administrator/Governing Board agreed to adding the language at one point.
The passage about Carter only gave the option to each side. It gave no language guaranteeing any amount of time for anyone. Not one administrator or governing board had to approve the language. They could have said no amount of work time was reasonable.
The other question that comes down to why some said yes to the language, was the reason for saying yes? What was conceded to, so that the union could obtain the language. Negotiations is about give and take. That fact you are unable to see due to your blind hatred of something you don't understand.
Like I said, you're the conservative hockeydad. You are not able to see the entire picture because you both choose to wear blinders. One wears blue ones, and the other red ones. In the end, you choose to not comprehend the actual reality of a situation.
You're irrational belief that Tressel was railroaded is the most recent proof of that. Well, that and almost all political posts you comment on.
Wow you're so logical you have to not only do a lame throw in the kitchen sink and more name calling but now add in a totally unrelated thread. You're very logical now. Come back when you grow up and actually have had a real job. One that your mommy didn't secure for you. You have failed miserably in providing a single reason why taxpayers should have to foot the bill for union representatives at the table. Just claiming its during "regular" Hours isn't a reason. Just to say "well both sides agreed" isn't a reason.
You know and refuse to acknowledge, the Dems have laundered a pile full of money thru the unions in return for election support and sponsorship in commercials. Then after getting elected, keep this viscous cycle going. Yet, you're clueless as to why those of us who are footing the bill would be upset? I'm tiered of being forced to fork over half my income in taxes. I'm also tiered of you and folks like you claiming I'm not paying my fair share.
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John Adams “The moment the idea is admitted into society that property is not as sacred as the laws of God, and that there is not a force of law and public justice to protect it, anarchy and tyranny commence.”
Ronald Reagan: 'Everybody that is for abortion has already been born'
"I never said I was worth it. I only said I wouldn't do it for less " William F. Buckley Jr.
Last edited by Fieldmouse; 06-02-2011 at 06:08 PM.
Tax payers on the hook for Union business
