off topic kinda

[petasux]

Just curious in your states, do you have laws against taking fish from one body of water and dumping them into another.And are these laws actually enforced?

See, our lake out heres been overrun with carp and bullheads for as long as I can remember.Its got a decent walleye, catfish, crappie, northern pike, and other game fish population but it was hard to maintain with the carp destroying the habitat.

they decided to spend millions to improve the lake, it included siening the carp out, putting up barriers to keep them from coming back in through inlets, and a major restocking of other fish.And its been working, the fishings been great, the water clarity much better, and even the stunted population of bullheads {yuck} has taken off with fish well over a lb being average so far this spring.

But some idiot decided he didnt feel like cleaning a bunch of silver and yellow bass he brought back home and apparently started dumping them in the lake a few years back.As the lake conditions started improving the bass population took off, theres thousands of them up in the shallows and the little SOB eat everything.

Dont get me wrong, I dont mind eating the yellow bass, havent tried the silver ones but ive heard bad things.But the DNR has no idea where they came from and theyre fast becoming a nuisance, it could affect future stocking in the lake and some serious competition for the available food for the other game fish that are supposed to be here.They have narrowed down the number of people they suspect of dumping them but cant prove anything.Which got me thinking that Ive never heard of anyone ever being prosecuted for it and it happens all the time.

So what are the laws like in other states and are they enforced?

[burniegoeasily]

I can understand why. Not sure about here in Texas, since we have only one natural lake. All the rest were man made. In New Mexico, I have once saw a guy get a ticket for dumping left over minnows into a lake. Invasive species can be a bear on the indigenous species.

[Terasec]

In NY there are laws for transporting baitfish,
if baitfish is purchased you must have receipt with you and its valid for only 10 days,
if you catch baitfish where you are fishing, you are not allowed to remove them from the water,
NY law doesnt just prohibit dumping in another body of water,
it prohibits transporting baitfish over land without valid receipt.
It does suck as you cant to use the bait for another day, or cant even salt them for future use,
in NY with multiple bodies of water, they do so to prevent the spread of diseases and also microbes and plant life transported by the fish.

and for discarding other fish,
live or dead they cannot be discarded within i believe its 100 ft of the waterline.

[Champlain Islander]

Vermont has laws similar to New York’s. It is illegal to transport any fish live in water from one lake to another for the purposes of stocking. They are desperately trying to stop VHS from taking hold here.

[salukipv1]

illegal to do so in IL

[Fieldmouse]

Question, how do they restrict the birds from feeding in the shallows in on lake from flying into another lake?

[Knightia]

Originally Posted by Fieldmouse

Question, how do they restrict the birds from feeding in the shallows in on lake from flying into another lake?

Tie a brick around there necks? j/k they cant that i know of, anymore then they can stop all flooding etc spreading spieces( as how the walleye got in the North platte river drainage here from colo.

So called no native species is a big thing(-including business here in a few ways( lotsa taxpayer moneys spent to cater to tourists & trout fisherman.)

Latest is stoping the spread of zebra mussels on water craft & burbot(burbot( or ling/freshwater cod)ARE native to waters east of the rockys in wy & Wy( onlike many other fish))- burbot- now intoducted into waters on the western side of the contintional divide- by persons unknowen. Baitfish are also highly regulated here.

Meanwhile the state spends many many millions to stock a varity of mainy non native trout( rainbow ,brook, brown, golden , laketrout)and other non native, intoduced fish species( just 4&1/2 mill to upgrade the hatchery down the road not long ago- they grow mostly rainbows) of non native trout in many areas of the state.

( only The cutthroat trout is a native here( some areas))- most lakes are damed & or manmade here also.


So pretty much- much of the states whole fishery is based on non native species anyway its cut.
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Another Non-Native Predator in the Green River Poses Threat to Native Fish
- Mark McKinstry, Upper Colorado Regional Office

First burbot captured in Green River
below Flaming Gorge Dam

Researchers with the Utah Division of Wildlife Resources recently found something they didn't want to find: a 21-inch burbot in the Green River below Flaming Gorge dam. The fish was captured in July during an electrofishing study the biologists were doing to recover and study endangered fish in the Green and Colorado rivers.

Catch and kill regulation





The Utah Division of Wildlife has placed a 'no tolerance' fishing regulation on burbot in Utah:

• There's no limit on the number of burbot an angler can catch
• Anglers may not release any burbot they catch.
• All burbot must be killed immediately.

The Wyoming Game and Fish Department has similar regulations in place to help combat burbot:

• There's no limit on the number of burbot an angler may harvest in the Green River drainage
• Anglers are encouraged to keep any and all burbot that they catch
• New laws passed in Wyoming look to further discourage the practice of illegally introducing fish. In addition to fines of up to $10,000, anyone convicted of intentionally introducing fish in Wyoming could be hit with countless restitution costs as well as a lifetime loss of hunting and fishing privileges

First burbot captured in Green River below
Flaming Gorge Dam


Burbot are eel-like with a single barbell or 'whisker"

[Knightia]

( not sure why the pictures are not pasting)

I hear that flaming gorge area has quite a few big lake trout &koahnee(sp?) salmon( both nonnative ) to- havent made it to that area....... yet( and no longer have a boat)

I have caught a few cuttthroat trout if i remember right - on the east side of the rocky divide awhile back- maybe i should have reported them a escape ies,lost(maybe i was?)? they whereilleagle before i put them back?

And each would be non native to the others, each others areas here id guess but are native fish(sub) species to wy( -but are all one species with some color variations etc( subspieces) living in naboring rivers systems) between them.?

Where to find them: Drainages west of the Continental Divide, plus Madison, Yellowstone, Snake, and Big Horn Rivers
Colorado River Cutthroat

Snake River Cutthroat

Yellowstone Cutthroat

Bonneville Cutthroat



( wonder if wildpigs will come visit wy) ( i understand there didnt use to be possims here all that long ago but there are some now

[The Rev]

Originally Posted by burniegoeasily

I can understand why. Not sure about here in Texas, since we have only one natural lake. All the rest were man made. In New Mexico, I have once saw a guy get a ticket for dumping left over minnows into a lake. Invasive species can be a bear on the indigenous species.

Hey that reminds me of a guy I hunt with that got a ticket for dumping deer carcasses on the side of the road! , I think you know him.

[petasux]

Originally Posted by Fieldmouse

Question, how do they restrict the birds from feeding in the shallows in on lake from flying into another lake?

Actually I think thats how a lotta the gravel pits and such get fish in them around here.Theyre not stocked and not connected to anything but theyve all got fish in em.