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Old 05-17-2011, 05:25 AM   #1
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Our esteemed law enforcement agencies are now making it illegal to videotape them breaking the law.

http://hotair.com/archives/2010/06/0...mance-of-duty/


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In response to a flood of Facebook and YouTube videos that depict police abuse, a new trend in law enforcement is gaining popularity. In at least three states, it is now illegal to record any on-duty police officer.

Even if the encounter involves you and may be necessary to your defense, and even if the recording is on a public street where no expectation of privacy exists.


http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,284075,00.html

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Last month, Brian Kelly of Carlisle, Pa., was riding with a friend when the car he was in was pulled over by a local police officer. Kelly, an amateur videographer, had his video camera with him and decided to record the traffic stop.

The officer who pulled over the vehicle saw the camera and demanded Kelly hand it over. Kelly obliged. Soon after, six more police officers pulled up. They arrested Kelly on charges of violating an outdated Pennsylvania wiretapping law that forbids audio recordings of any second party without their permission. In this case, that party was the police officer.

Kelly was charged with a felony, spent 26 hours in jail, and faces up to 10 years in prison. All for merely recording a police officer, a public servant, while he was on the job
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Old 05-17-2011, 06:24 AM   #2
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The police obviously do not want their activities exposed to the public. As public servants on the public payroll, any of their official acts should be open to public view.

Michigan requires the consent of only one person for a recording. Either one of us could record a conversation between the two of us without the other's knowledge, but a third party could not record us unless one of us consented. So recording the police would not be a problem here.
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Old 05-17-2011, 06:57 AM   #3
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Wonder if the cop had a video camera rolling in the police car?
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Wonder if the cop had a video camera rolling in the police car?
More than likely.

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The police obviously do not want their activities exposed to the public. As public servants on the public payroll, any of their official acts should be open to public view.
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Old 05-17-2011, 09:38 AM   #5
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Just because you make a law doesn't mean it is constitutional. This is something for the ACLU to jump on. While I respect, as a principle, law enforcement, this kind of law smells pretty bad. I'm sure these kinds of laws will be challenged in court and likely ruled unconstitutional.
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Old 05-17-2011, 10:12 AM   #6
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State by state rules on recording conversations:

http://www.rcfp.org/taping/states.html


Federal law allows recording of phone calls and other electronic communications with the consent of at least one party to the call. A majority of the states and territories have adopted wiretapping statutes based on the federal law, although most also have extended the law to cover in-person conversations. Thirty-eight states and the District of Columbia permit individuals to record conversations to which they are a party without informing the other parties that they are doing so. These laws are referred to as “one-party consent” statutes, and as long as you are a party to the conversation, it is legal for you to record it. (Nevada also has a one-party consent statute, but the state Supreme Court has interpreted it as an all-party rule.)


Twelve states require, under most circumstances, the consent of all parties to a conversation. Those jurisdictions are California, Connecticut, Florida, Illinois, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Montana, Nevada, New Hampshire, Pennsylvania and Washington. Be aware that you will sometimes hear these referred to inaccurately as “two-party consent” laws. If there are more than two people involved in the conversation, all must consent to the taping.

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Old 05-17-2011, 06:09 PM   #7
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Twelve states require, under most circumstances, the consent of all parties to a conversation. Those jurisdictions are California, Connecticut, Florida, Illinois, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Montana, Nevada, New Hampshire, Pennsylvania and Washington. Be aware that you will sometimes hear these referred to inaccurately as “two-party consent” laws. If there are more than two people involved in the conversation, all must consent to the taping.
Aren't these "all party" laws aimed at private conversations between two or more people (such as in a private room or over the phone between two people) and not public recordings (on a public beach, street, subway, bus, etc...) where there is no legal expectation of privacy?


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Under the [Florida] statute, consent is not required for the taping of a non-electronic communication uttered by a person who does not have a reasonable expectation of privacy in that communication
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Old 05-17-2011, 07:05 PM   #8
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If there's no video, cops get off scott free!

seen it time and time again, a cop gets no suspension etc....or paid time off, then the video comes out and they end up fired, etc...

and they all lie for one another, forget about telling the truth in court.

talk about budget cuts in the U.S., pass concealed carry in all 50 states and cut about.
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Old 05-17-2011, 11:20 PM   #9
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All public servants -polticans , police etc - should be watched closely on camara & recorded while on the job & working imo( with no control over the recording devices- as to be able to manipulate them)
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