I'm already sick of hearing about their problems with our bin laden raid!
They're calling for reassessment of our ties with them...?
Is it just me or do they have more to lose than us?
I'm not a bully, but I'm getting real sick of them real fast!
Location: On an Island in the west coast of New England
Posts: 13,132
They have nukes and a hatred for one of our developing allies and business partner India. Paying them billions to remain "friendly" with us is just insurance to keep peace in the region. Without our intervention many fear all out nuke war between them and India. I see Pakistan much the same as Iran except we have a small amount of influence and control over them. Fact is without the billions in aid they would hate us just like the rest over there.
__________________
Too busy with fishing to spend much time here.
Last edited by Champlain Islander; 05-14-2011 at 02:45 AM.
They have nukes and a hatred for one of our developing allies and business partner India. Paying them billions to remain "friendly" with us is just insurance to keep peace in the region. Without our intervention many fear all out nuke war between them and India. I see Pakistan much the same as Iran except we have a small amount of influence and control over them. Fact is without the billions in aid they would hate us just like the rest over there.
Well they still do hate us, we’re just paying them. The Middle East is simply a powder keg is will blow; it’s just a matter of time.
Location: On an Island in the west coast of New England
Posts: 13,132
I agree 100%. War is inevitable over there... it is a way of life. Everything is religious based and ingrained through the generations. Other than the world wide fallout issue I say let them eliminate each other.
__________________
Too busy with fishing to spend much time here.
I agree 100%. War is inevitable over there... it is a way of life. Everything is religious based and ingrained through the generations. Other than the world wide fallout issue I say let them eliminate each other.
It's not inevitable if the US sends a very strong message to anyone who crosses us like Pak did.
Heard a story of Napoleon once. He marched his army up to a city down in a valley and warned them to surrender or else. To prove that they would be totally wiped out against his superior forces he commanded his men to march of a cliff, after some did he commanded them to stop. The town was so terrified it quickly surrendered. They believed that if his men would do that they would never stop until every last one of them was dead.
I'm not saying we do that, but we can send the same kind of message and avoid a mayor war. If we do not send a message then they will have little fear of fighting a mayor war on land they have prepared for it.
It's not inevitable if the US sends a very strong message to anyone who crosses us like Pak did.
Heard a story of Napoleon once. He marched his army up to a city down in a valley and warned them to surrender or else. To prove that they would be totally wiped out against his superior forces he commanded his men to march of a cliff, after some did he commanded them to stop. The town was so terrified it quickly surrendered. They believed that if his men would do that they would never stop until every last one of them was dead.
I'm not saying we do that, but we can send the same kind of message and avoid a mayor war. If we do not send a message then they will have little fear of fighting a mayor war on land they have prepared for it.
You’re right, but Napoleon dealing with people that were afraid to die! That’s the key my brother, if someone is willing to die for their cause how to do strike fear in them? Bury them with a pig?
Let'em huff and puff, who gives a chit. In my opinion, it's not about what they say, but, about what they do. They have their own internal problems, with which they have to deal. Weren't we throw'n shots across the border the very next day? We did violate their airspace, and I know that doesn't mean much to us here on this board, but it does have HUGE implications in the international community at a high level. Just my 2 pennies worth.
Pakistan has nuclear weapons; the Pakistani government is fragile and unstable; and al-Qaeda is exercising increasing influence in Pakistan. For these reasons we are very interested in Pakistan.
I don't know if it is important to pay too much attention to the public utterances of the Pakistani government. Obama did it right: do first, ask forgiveness second. He ought to follow this policy consistently going forwards, also. Do, then apologize. What else can these Pakistani leaders say but to piss and moan about our not honoring the sovereignty of the their country? Let them piss and moan all they want to, let Obama or Hillary Clinton say the right things, but consistently DO THE RIGHT THINGS which is to kill targets of opportunity.
Clearly Pakistan is NOT in control of things. The stakes are too high. So we have to DO. Killing bad actors like UBL is one of these things. There are other al-Qaeda leaders to be killed there. Do that too. Meanwhile, be figuring out how to secure those nukes and make sure they are in steady, safe hands.
Amrullah Saleh says Afghan intelligence thought bin Laden was in the Pakistani city of Mansehra — about 12 miles away from Abbottabad, where the terrorist leader was eventually found and killed by U.S. Navy SEALs.
Saleh has become a prominent critic of Afghan President Hamid Karzai's efforts to start peace talks with the Taliban. He says Pakistan should be recognized by the United States as "a hostile country."
He told CBS: "They take your money. They do not co-operate. They created the Taliban. They are number one in nuclear proliferation."
What does Pakistan have?
