I keep hearing this claim thrown around and not much to back it up other than he happened to be in thier country.Is it possible, certainly, anythings possible.But there is such a thing as hiding in plain sight as well.
I remember when I was younger and going through some legal issues and as a result of the courts only enforcing half of a court order they took my hunting licenses,I was young and pissed off and decided I was going to hunt anyway.Not a good attitude I know but it is what it is.
Long story short I hunted most of that year right behind the DNR headquarters.I parked in thier parking lot, I would wave at them when they seen me in my stand and at night I would stop and visit with them when someone was in the parking lot.I hunted all around them for 4 months and interacted with them daily and never once did anyone check my hunting license, my gear, or my vehichle to make sure I was legal.Certainly nobody would be dumb enough to illegaly hunt that close to law enforcement.
While thats not on the same par with being an international fugitive by any means, if you were wanted by the military in many countries what better place to hide then right outside the military academy.Seriously, whos going to look there.Im sure it is quite an embarrassment for them, and they will have some explaining to do but really if he never left the compound and the only ones people ever saw were the other men and thier families why would they look in that location?Like I said, anythings possible but right now it seems like a lot of finger pointing without many facts to back up the claim to me.
Bin Laden was being taken care of by someone in the Pakistani gov't: Most likely Pakistani military intelligence; the ISI. In August , In August , 1998 the US launched cruise missiles into an Afghan training camp where bin Laden was living. Bin Laden left three hours before the missiles landed on the camp. The US had notified Pakistan of the pending attack: Bin Laden was tipped off by the former head of ISI, one Lt. Gen. Hamid Gul. Gul admitted on US TV that he tipped off bin Laden. Gul is one of the guys who sold nuclear weapons design information to North Korea and Iran.
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For instance, the profile of Harun Shirzad al-Afghani says the U.S. believes the detainee attended an August 2006 meeting that included a variety of militants as well as representatives of Pakistan's military and intelligence service. Those gathered decided to increase attacks in certain provinces of Afghanistan, the profile states, citing an unidentified letter.
Just my personal opinion, but I don't believe they were "harboring" him. I'm pretty sure they knew he was there and I'm also pretty sure they're glad he's gone.
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Just my personal opinion, but I don't believe they were "harboring" him. I'm pretty sure they knew he was there and I'm also pretty sure they're glad he's gone.
I think you're correct. They knew he was there....they were not 'harboring' him, but I also believe that the country is in schism which would explain the schizophrenic news coming out of the region...the government would turn him over...the military supports him....some hate him...others looked up to him....it's a fractured country. The only problem I have is that without US foreign aid, we run the risk of losing that friendly status with pakistan; no matter how thin that veneer, we do not want them to fall to Taliban, making their nukes accessible to the enemy. There's only 1 way to make them pay for duplicity...have them arrest and either imprison or execute those known to support bin Laden and/or the Taliban. With the Pakistani leader unable to do either, all he can do is be castigated. The checks will continue to be sent...and we will continue to hope that the nukes are safe.
Well, to start with let me just observe that the story is evolving a lot. So the idea that we can draw any definite conclusions is dubious at best. Just as an example, initially the compounds was characterized as a luxury compound worth well over $1 M. I understand that local realtors -- that is in this location in Pakistan -- say the whole thing may be worth about $250 K, no more. Also, the story about luxury accommodations seems to be morphing a little bit. We are finding out new stuff all the time. So this is worth bearing in mind when we voice our opinions.
To me it seems that we cannot know whether the Pakistanis were or were not knowingly hiding Ossama. What I read says that a lot of out-of-towners -- middle class folks -- moved in at about the same time, leaving a region that experienced a devestating earthquake. Thus, some guy moves in with a bunch of other people at about the same time. I think I read some folks thought the folks in the building were smugglers. Who was responsible for checking this out? The local police chief? The local elite military school? It is possible it was a clever, smart choice to locate there and the locals were largely oblivious.
On another point, however, it doesn't matter. It is still the case that you can't trust the Pakistanis and you can't share sensitive information with them. Hell, you probably can't trust a room full of people with top secret security clearances in Washington DC, let alone folks in Pakistan. It doesn't matter, and you continue to operate as you need to get the job done. And if that means sending in covert teams to shoot some people in Pakistan -- Egypt, Saudi Arabia, wherever -- I suggest you do it. Sooner rather than later. Stike while the iron is hot. I'm guessing we know who bad actors are in this area and elsewhere. Take care of business.
Will president Obama do this? I suspect not. It is one thing to go in and take out Ossama Bin Ladin. Will he send in a team into Egypt and take out the second in command in Al Quiada? Elsewhere? Probably not.
Well, to start with let me just observe that the story is evolving a lot. So the idea that we can draw any definite conclusions is dubious at best. Just as an example, initially the compounds was characterized as a luxury compound worth well over $1 M. I understand that local realtors -- that is in this location in Pakistan -- say the whole thing may be worth about $250 K, no more. Also, the story about luxury accommodations seems to be morphing a little bit. We are finding out new stuff all the time. So this is worth bearing in mind when we voice our opinions.
To me it seems that we cannot know whether the Pakistanis were or were not knowingly hiding Ossama. What I read says that a lot of out-of-towners -- middle class folks -- moved in at about the same time, leaving a region that experienced a devestating earthquake. Thus, some guy moves in with a bunch of other people at about the same time. I think I read some folks thought the folks in the building were smugglers. Who was responsible for checking this out? The local police chief? The local elite military school? It is possible it was a clever, smart choice to locate there and the locals were largely oblivious.
On another point, however, it doesn't matter. It is still the case that you can't trust the Pakistanis and you can't share sensitive information with them. Hell, you probably can't trust a room full of people with top secret security clearances in Washington DC, let alone folks in Pakistan. It doesn't matter, and you continue to operate as you need to get the job done. And if that means sending in covert teams to shoot some people in Pakistan -- Egypt, Saudi Arabia, wherever -- I suggest you do it. Sooner rather than later. Stike while the iron is hot. I'm guessing we know who bad actors are in this area and elsewhere. Take care of business.
Will president Obama do this? I suspect not. It is one thing to go in and take out Ossama Bin Ladin. Will he send in a team into Egypt and take out the second in command in Al Quiada? Elsewhere? Probably not.
Are you suggesting that Obama is not the military genius that all this leftist puffery is claiming ? Hahahahah.....
As far as trust for Pakistan...it is of no consequence. They are no less trustworthy than your example of a room full of Washingtonians,
but probably a whole lot more incompetent. The fact is, that we must continue to prop up that government, keep the foreign aid coming or risk the overthrow of the government and the spectre of Pakistani nukes falling into the hands of the Taliban. Nothing can change...there's just no trust anymore.
Of course, you are right. To his credit, the president made a campaign promise that he'd get bin Laden. He did that. So he kept 1 promise out of the hundreds and hundreds he made. Will he keep his streak going ? Will he send clandestine forces into the other countries in upheaval and either solve their problems or make them go away ? Not a shot.....
Just my personal opinion, but I don't believe they were "harboring" him. I'm pretty sure they knew he was there and I'm also pretty sure they're glad he's gone.
This doesn't make any sense. If they knew he was there and didn't tell the US , then they are harboring him. No two ways about it.
So was Pakistan harboring OBL?
