Let's see if he is man enough to apologize to Dick Cheney. I was looking for the video and will look again tomorrow. However, Dick Cheney went on record saying the closing Gitmo and restricting the CIA ways to gather intelligence will cost American lives. Obama flat out denied that and said Dick was wrong.
Well, we are now a couple years later and water boarding is what gave us the leads to find Osama. KSM gave up the one name along when the top level guy we got and the only other one water boarded. FYI, no one was ever water boarded in gitmo. He gave up even more information. So for all you who feel water boarding is so bad for these top level guys, what do you say now?
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John Adams “The moment the idea is admitted into society that property is not as sacred as the laws of God, and that there is not a force of law and public justice to protect it, anarchy and tyranny commence.”
Ronald Reagan: 'Everybody that is for abortion has already been born'
"I never said I was worth it. I only said I wouldn't do it for less " William F. Buckley Jr.
Rev, my BIL was also in Vietnam he said the (I think it was the south Vs interrogators) would take two up in a helo with their hands tied behind their back. Then kick on out and surprisingly the other one would start talking. He's only talked once or twice about the war.
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John Adams “The moment the idea is admitted into society that property is not as sacred as the laws of God, and that there is not a force of law and public justice to protect it, anarchy and tyranny commence.”
Ronald Reagan: 'Everybody that is for abortion has already been born'
"I never said I was worth it. I only said I wouldn't do it for less " William F. Buckley Jr.
i will admit i was wrong. i was 100% in favor of closing gitmo, and was initially disappointed that it was not. however, my experience has been that, when two electeds from opposing ideologies agree on a given course of action, it is usually the correct course of action.
It seems to me foolish to take this tool off the table. These are not boy scouts. It isn't Sunday school. The target of these bad actors is more than the twin towers or 3000 US citizens -- it is our way of life, our civilization.
What are the arguments against interrogation techniques? (1) it does not obtain useful information and (2) it damages ourselves.
(1) This is an ambiguous statement. In any given case of interrogation, on any given day, perhaps the interrogation does not provide useful information. Mr X deduces that his interrogator expects to hear statement Y, and Mr X recites the statement Y to try to stop the interrogation. Mr Z is a hardened individual and doesn't give up the goods no matter what techniques are used. With reference to Mr X, only a nincompoop takes what Mr X says under forced questioning without some sort of corroboration. When you ask your kids what happened when something goes wrong at school, do you simply take their word for it? "Sally threw banana pudding on Judy with absolutely NO provocation!" Hmmm. maybe it is worth getting another eye witness report. You collect a story with many different pieces from many different individuals. You throw out what doesn't fit and what cannot be corroborated. In this rich context, it may not matter that Mr X tells you what you wanted to hear -- but which is not in fact the case -- because you have determined that this information cannot be corroborated in ways that it ought to be possible to corroborate it. Mr Z does't give anything up. What is lost there? Not much I see. But what about Mr Y? Maybe Mr Y, after putting up a decent resistence decides he has done his duty and can now speak freely, what about what good information Mr Y gives up? Of course useful information can be obtained by aggressive interrogation techniques. It is foolish to think otherwise.
(2) The use of enhanced interrogation techniques damages us. How can this be? Others in the opposing camp find out and hold this against us. OK, I'll grant that. On the other hand, we probably aren't going to win these people over by virtue of NOT using enhanced interrogation techniques. These techniques can change us, can degrade us, can make us immoral. I personally don't buy this. Not unless the interrogators get into the habit of ENJOYING causing discomfort and pain to their captives. I read that the French Foreign Legion has a creed that stipulates, in part, something to the effect that their soldiers are not to hate their opponents, they are to be dispassionate towards them. They are following orders, doing a job. It seems that maybe an interrogator may be able to keep a rein on himself and do his job in a dispassionate way, keeping his eyeball on the purposes and objectives of what he is doing. At the least, arguing that enhanced interrogation techniques damages us is speculative and tenuous.
I expect this to be a hot topic of political debate.
i will admit i was wrong. i was 100% in favor of closing gitmo, and was initially disappointed that it was not. however, my experience has been that, when two electeds from opposing ideologies agree on a given course of action, it is usually the correct course of action.
Gitmo has never been home to any water boarding. This info was obtained overseas at one of the secret prisons via the CIA. Gitmo on the other hand is the only suitable place to house these guys. It's off US soil. It's been used and ruled that way in the past by the SC. It's secure. Despite what you hear about in the news, it's a tropical paradise and even the prison is better than most, if not all, prisons in the world. We have bent over backwards for these idiots. It's time to forget about them.
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John Adams “The moment the idea is admitted into society that property is not as sacred as the laws of God, and that there is not a force of law and public justice to protect it, anarchy and tyranny commence.”
Ronald Reagan: 'Everybody that is for abortion has already been born'
"I never said I was worth it. I only said I wouldn't do it for less " William F. Buckley Jr.
Try again skippy. You cite a Washington Post blog to counter what has and is reported in the news. You're a joke. Why don't you try to wake up just a little earlier tomorrow. Move your alarm up say 30 minutes. Maybe even stay at an Holliday Inn Express because what you're doing now, aint working. Good luck!
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John Adams “The moment the idea is admitted into society that property is not as sacred as the laws of God, and that there is not a force of law and public justice to protect it, anarchy and tyranny commence.”
Ronald Reagan: 'Everybody that is for abortion has already been born'
"I never said I was worth it. I only said I wouldn't do it for less " William F. Buckley Jr.
"Not only did the use of enhanced interrogation techniques on Khalid Sheikh Mohammed not provide us with key leads on bin Laden's courier, Abu Ahmed, it actually produced false and misleading information," McCain said. He called on Mukasey and others to correct their misstatements
looks like it actually produced the opposite results to me
i will admit i was wrong. i was 100% in favor of closing gitmo, and was initially disappointed that it was not. however, my experience has been that, when two electeds from opposing ideologies agree on a given course of action, it is usually the correct course of action.
It is ok to be wrong if you are man enough to admit. Most all politicans want admit being wrong. That is the biggest problem in Washington today. Remember OTo. Jim
Obama owes Dick Cheney and appology
