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Old 04-08-2011, 01:51 PM   #1
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Total bs. Parents threatened with arrest after nurse calls protective services on them. Why, you ask. Seems their baby, like many after birth, has mild jaundice.. The doctor was allowing them to take their new born home but a nurse steps in and calls child protective services. Other news reports have said this was their third kid and each had a mild case of jaundice when born.

http://www.ktnv.com/story/14338042/baby
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man...makes my blood boil....it better be our right to have our child in the living room if we want. in a horse stable or where ever have you.
seems like they shoulda called the news after the 1st 5 minutes.
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Old 04-08-2011, 03:22 PM   #3
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Just think, the dems believe she had the right to abort the baby only hours earlier.
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Old 04-09-2011, 03:30 AM   #4
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The call is not the answer but hearing my eldest who's currently working in an OB department, with tears in her eyes tell it, breaks her heart to even think about the new baby in the hands of some parents, parents who've more than proven the baby better be a survivor.

Abuse by the people of the people gives government the opportunity to regulate. Freedom isn't free from responsibility. Government isn't there to protect freedom, freedom is there to protect from government, abuse it at freedoms peril. Starts with one person abusing another.
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Old 04-10-2011, 05:20 AM   #5
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We don't really know enough of the facts to come to an informed decision about this situation.

But reading the article and some of the comments afterwards, I did note some points that should be considered.

It says a doctor was prepared to allow them to leave if they signed a release. That doctor needs to check with the hospital's legal deparment. Anyone can leave a hospital against medical advice after signing a release from liability. But one cannot remove a child against medical advice. Even if you signed a release, the hospital would STILL be liable.

The Supreme Court says that the Constitution guarantees parents the care, custody, and control of their child. But the law REQUIRES parents to provide for the care, custody, and control of their child. And that includes medical care. If you don't provide necessay care, custody, and control, the court will.

The law REQUIRES professionals such as doctors, nurses, teachers, etc., to inform protective services if they believe a child is in danger of abuse or neglect. Of course the nurse may have overreacted. Also, under most cases, a child can be treated at home for jaundice if the parents recognize the problem and are willing to treat it according to instructions.

Reading some of the comments, I got the impression that this hospital may have a policy of holding children with jaundice in order to run up the bill, rather than allow treatment in the home.

CPS workers are not trained in medicine. Their duty is to take measures to protect a child if they believe a child is in danger. The court will then determine if the charge of abuse or neglect is substantiated. The fact that a nurse claimed that the child was in danger would be sufficient reason for the CPS worker to take action. That doesn't mean the nurse was right though.

Once again, the fact that a doctor was willing to release the child against medical advice is not relevant. That would leave the hospital open to liability if the child sustained any harm.

As I noted, we don't really have enough facts to decide who is right or wrong here.
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We don't really know enough of the facts to come to an informed decision about this situation.



As I noted, we don't really have enough facts to decide who is right or wrong here.
That I can agree with.

The wife told me this morning, (I think I was reading the labels on milk and silk) that she doesn't know how some baby's live. Parents were told that their baby should be give a non dairy formula (I remember now the silk label had to say it wasn't an infant formula ) so they fed it non dairy creamer. The people had their child in because of serious weight lose.

We weren't talking about this and I haven't mentioned it to her because I already get an ear full of what comes into the hospitals. She has a friend in wound care and has seen some of it herself. The stories of bug infestations in people who do nothing to take care of their problems is sickeningly all to common. The eldest is in the processes of getting her degree and has already witnessed it. Professional exterminators must be called in after the patient leaves it's that bad.

No telling what this nurse has witnessed and she is as liable as the hospital if she is required by law to do something and doesn't. It's the world we live in.
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That I can agree with.

The wife told me this morning, (I think I was reading the labels on milk and silk) that she doesn't know how some baby's live. Parents were told that their baby should be give a non dairy formula (I remember now the silk label had to say it wasn't an infant formula ) so they fed it non dairy creamer. The people had their child in because of serious weight lose.

We weren't talking about this and I haven't mentioned it to her because I already get an ear full of what comes into the hospitals. She has a friend in wound care and has seen some of it herself. The stories of bug infestations in people who do nothing to take care of their problems is sickeningly all to common. The eldest is in the processes of getting her degree and has already witnessed it. Professional exterminators must be called in after the patient leaves it's that bad.

No telling what this nurse has witnessed and she is as liable as the hospital if she is required by law to do something and doesn't. It's the world we live in.
I don't know if you read all of what I posted, but I wasn't trying to decide who was right or wrong. I was merely attempting to correct some misconceptions about how situations like this are handled or are supposed to be handled.
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nobody would have said nothing if she (the mother) would have had the baby killed before birth

that's the ****in sad shame of it all
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I don't know if you read all of what I posted, but I wasn't trying to decide who was right or wrong. I was merely attempting to correct some misconceptions about how situations like this are handled or are supposed to be handled.
Sure, I got that. Why I quoted what I did.

This isn't reality though and I really don't think it's this clear either. The SC has said this? This is not a federal situation, it's state. States are different from each other and by most accounts to broke to be the nanny for all the kids in trouble out there. Our history doesn't say this either at least what I've read of it.

>>The Supreme Court says that the Constitution guarantees parents the care, custody, and control of their child. But the law REQUIRES parents to provide for the care, custody, and control of their child. And that includes medical care. If you don't provide necessay care, custody, and control, the court will.<<
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