I hope that title is not too inflamatory. My hope is to start an interesting thread that is less polarized and more contemplative.
It would seem today that, on balance, neither our basic right to keep and bear arms nor our rights to hunt are threatened with extinction. Today I can own multiple firearms, drive pretty freely with them in my car (perhaps subject to various carrying restrictions), and shoot. I don't need a license to own a gun. I don't need to keep my gun locked up on premises other than my home. Likewise, if I buy the necessary permits, stamps, licenses I can go hunting. I can go duck hunting, goose hunting, pheasant hunting, deer hunting, pronghorn hunting, elk hunting, black bear hunting pretty much at will. Hunting some species may require waiting periods -- mountain goat, moose, bighorn sheep, etc.
What about tomorrow? What about 30 years from now when my kids are my age? I don't know. Part of this may be political, but part may be other things. In my lifetime the population of the United States has doubled (I was born in 1956). It seems unlikely our population will double in my children's lifespan, but what if it does? Is there a point at which it become impractical in some sense to have hunting seasons? If the trend is that a smaller and smaller percentage of us hunt, what then? If the trend is that hunting becomes more and more expensive, what then? For example, when only 1% of the US population hunts big game in any given year . . . does big game hunting continue? Does the public just take the view that big game hunting is an anachronism and do away with it? If only 1% of the population cares a hoot about big game hunting, will the outcry be heard when big game hunting is abolished?
I'm just musing. I don't know. It is a good thing, I think, that there is a lot of public land in the West that isn't readily developed for profit, or there would probably have been a political liaison between developers and politicians developed to sell land off "in the national interest" so these developers can buy prime land at cheap prices.
not sure where your from,
but in NJ, you need a license to own/buy a pellet gun,
if you are from down south and decide to head to new england to hunt
better check cities your passing through,
may not think of needing a NYC permit,
but highway passes through NYC and even if you had no intention of stopping in NYC, you could be fined/arrested/guns taken away just for passing through NYC without a permit,
also have to check just about every city road passes through to check if they have similar permit requirements,
you may be free in your town for now,
but others will make it difficult for you,
even NYC mayor recently tried a sting operation in AZ trying to purchase guns at a gun show,
imagine every city, trying similar to other cities/states,
not sure where your from,
but in NJ, you need a license to own/buy a pellet gun,
if you are from down south and decide to head to new england to hunt
better check cities your passing through,
may not think of needing a NYC permit,
but highway passes through NYC and even if you had no intention of stopping in NYC, you could be fined/arrested/guns taken away just for passing through NYC without a permit,
also have to check just about every city road passes through to check if they have similar permit requirements,
you may be free in your town for now,
but others will make it difficult for you,
even NYC mayor recently tried a sting operation in AZ trying to purchase guns at a gun show,
imagine every city, trying similar to other cities/states,
I will mirror those sentiments. My understanding is that both Maryland and Massachussetts require 'transport permits' to drive thru with firearms. And in NYC they do whatever the heck they want...the important thing here is FOPA does not apply in these places, apparently. Same in NJ where guys dumb enough to be wearing 'hunter's orange' clothing have been stopped, and searched, presuming possession of 'illegal firearms'.
And to be clear, there is NO RIGHT TO HUNT. The liberal left has for years attempted to link firearms rights with hunting...we must be sure this never is successful. A state can end hunting at any time for just about any reason...if your firearms rights depend on hunting, then if hunting is suspended, you have no use for firearms.
For this reason, if ya got a lock of sense, you vote conservative, and these days that means republican...these are not the ones assailing our civil rights 'for the greater good', a socialist concept....
For many years anti hunters have filed lawsuits to deny hunter access to federal and state property. As a result hunting is not allowed on state owned, national forest and BLM land in several areas of the country. In other areas the access roads are closed, effectively denying hunter access.
The future of our sport rests with young people. Every year fewer young folks getting involved in hunting and fishing.
For many years anti hunters have filed lawsuits to deny hunter access to federal and state property. As a result hunting is not allowed on state owned, national forest and BLM land in several areas of the country. In other areas the access roads are closed, effectively denying hunter access.
The future of our sport rests with young people. Every year fewer young folks getting involved in hunting and fishing.
don't you think this is due to the 'bambiist' propaganda kids are raised under ? couple that with the sensationalization of firearms across all media, it's no wonder fewer and fewer kids are getting involved in the sport. Schools used to have shooting clubs with intramural events...no more...guns are for criminals only, ir seems....
and this I lay directly at the feet of the pinkoe teachers who are more engaged in indoctrination than teaching....
In Wisconsin we passed a state constitutional amendment guaranteeing the right to hunt and fish.
That does not mean that gun ownership rights won't be infringed upon at some future date. Hopefully before we toss Walker out he can get the gun rights laws passed that the majority of Wisconites want. If he doesn't, we may never get them.
Hunting will never go away. More spots are being opened up to control the animal populations. The insurance lobby is too big and well connected to let it happen.
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In Wisconsin we passed a state constitutional amendment guaranteeing the right to hunt and fish.
WV too
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Hopefully before we toss Walker out he can get the gun rights laws passed that the majority of Wisconites want. If he doesn't, we may never get them.
Ironic, isn't it???
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don't you think this is due to the 'bambiist' propaganda kids are raised under ?
Absolutely. That's why kids should be watching more looney tunes and less disney. Daffy Duck gets shot all the time and responds with little more than a cleverly worded complaint and a "yoo-ho yoo-ho"...lol
nice avatar btw
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Absolutely. That's why kids should be watching more looney tunes and less disney. Daffy Duck gets shot all the time and responds with little more than a cleverly worded complaint and a "yoo-ho yoo-ho"...lol
nice avatar btw
thanks for the avatar kudos. I am happy to see that states are passinf constitutional amendments guaranteeing rights to hunt and fish. Wont see that in the pinkoe northeast tho'.....sorry to say.
And for the record, Looney Tunes were ALWAYS better than those pukey Disney cartoons, classic tho' they may be.....Daffy'd kick Donald's petoot any day of the week and twice on Sunday.
I'm from Texas. Our gun laws are pretty easy to live with. I thought there was a law that allowed people to pass through other states with their firearms notwithstanding local ordinances. Maybe this is the FOPA thing that one of the responders mentioned. But I get your drift: I'm not interested in fighting city hall or some LEO who is just following orders but hasn't read the reams of case law that might be involved in proving lawful transport.
When I go hunting I read up on the regulations on travel with firearms. I remember some years ago when planning a drive up to Wyoming to hunt pronghorn that I scraped plans to transit Kansas -- which was the most direct route from the Dallas area to Gillette -- and instead routed to New Mexico and up through Colorado because the gun law for Kansas was unclear. Specifically, I recollect that my reading of the law suggested I needed to keep my gun cased and in a separate locked compartment. I was traveling in a Chevrolet Suburban, and it just has a large open back compartment, no separately lockable trunk. Would I have been legal? I don't know. I avoided the question entirely and routed through New Mexico and Colorado. Tough luck for some Kansas gas station, restaurant, hotel where I didn't spend my money.
When will our gun/hunting rights be rescinded?
