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Old 02-16-2011, 05:01 AM   #1
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Old 02-16-2011, 05:44 AM   #2
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One has to ask why any new agents are required when currently there is no law on the books.
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Old 02-16-2011, 06:01 AM   #3
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FM... I still haven't had a chance to chase down the Florida case, but, there have been two other U.S. District Courts that have ruled Obamacare constitutional... I am not an appellate lawyer, but, I believe that the District Judges' jurisdiction doesn't really cross state lines in that type of case. They are "persuasive" in other jurisdictions, but they are not "binding" anywhere except within their own jurisdiction. Even if a U.S. Court of Appeals ruled it unconstitutional, other Courts of Appeals could find it constitutional. Thus, the Fifth Circuit could find in one direction, with the Ninth finding in the other. So, the law could be unconstitutional in Texas and Louisiana, but, constitutional in California and Oregon. And lower courts within those circuits would be obligated to follow the law as found by their Circuit Court of Appeals. So, everything is still pretty much a crapshoot until the Supremes get ahold of the case.
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I understand however we have 26 states that won their case in court based on the evidence presented to the judge. The other cases don't mean squat to those 26 states. When you win in court, you win.
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Old 02-16-2011, 06:31 AM   #5
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So, Obama gets to say "we need those 1000 IRS agents and a new hundred million dollar building for operations in the other 24 states where the law may still be constitutional...

For what it's worth, I agree with you that we shouldn't be spending one freaking dime on Obamacare unless and until the Supreme Court OK's the POS legislation.
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FM... I still haven't had a chance to chase down the Florida case, but, there have been two other U.S. District Courts that have ruled Obamacare constitutional... I am not an appellate lawyer, but, I believe that the District Judges' jurisdiction doesn't really cross state lines in that type of case. They are "persuasive" in other jurisdictions, but they are not "binding" anywhere except within their own jurisdiction. Even if a U.S. Court of Appeals ruled it unconstitutional, other Courts of Appeals could find it constitutional. Thus, the Fifth Circuit could find in one direction, with the Ninth finding in the other. So, the law could be unconstitutional in Texas and Louisiana, but, constitutional in California and Oregon. And lower courts within those circuits would be obligated to follow the law as found by their Circuit Court of Appeals. So, everything is still pretty much a crapshoot until the Supremes get ahold of the case.
Have the Supreme Courts in any of those states of which you speak, offer an opinion on the lower courts decisions? Are any of them in the process of appeal?
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Have the Supreme Courts in any of those states of which you speak, offer an opinion on the lower courts decisions? Are any of them in the process of appeal?
It was my understanding that the four cases, two constitutional, two unconstitutional, have all been U.S. District Court Cases. I do not know the status of any appeals, but, the next process would be appeals to the U.S. Circuit Courts of Appeal, and then appeals to the U.S. Supreme Court. As I said, I'm not an appellate lawyer, so, don't know whether there may be an expedited process to get the matter before the SCOTUS when there are conflicting decisions at the District Court level.

The cases won't go to any of the State Supreme Courts.
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Old 02-16-2011, 07:21 AM   #8
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The states have joined together and asked the White House to get on board to expedite this to the SC. It's costing them millions to get ready for it. However, Obama doesn't want to do that. Obama and company are going down the road of ignoring the courts and implementing as much as possible in order to make it as irreversible as possible.
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Among the new corps will be 81 workers assigned to make sure tanning salons pay a new 10 percent excise tax. Their cost: $11.5 million.
Do they expect to bring in anywhere close to 11.5 million from tanning salons?

Just more spin and doctoring the unemployment numbers.
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Old 02-16-2011, 07:57 AM   #10
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Do they expect to bring in anywhere close to 11.5 million from tanning salons?

Just more spin and doctoring the unemployment numbers.
I think that quote speaks volumes. 11.5 Million for a tanning salon goon squad.
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