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Old 02-11-2011, 12:27 PM   #1
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When Conservative do not live up to campaign promises, or when Liberals do.

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Old 02-14-2011, 09:42 AM   #2
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Not necessarily so....for ANYONE to live up to their campaign promises, they need to be able to pass their legislative agenda..that means passing constitutional muster....passage in the house ....passage in the senate....presidential signature...

the best we can hope for right now, is for the liberal agenda to fail. The cons have an impossible agenda without senate majority and a republican in the Oval office....

As far as the libs....they're done.
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Old 02-14-2011, 09:47 AM   #3
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Whoa, you have way too many RINOs and I think you lump every Republican as a conservative
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Whoa, you have way too many RINOs and I think you lump every Republican as a conservative
I am actually hoping to replace the RINOS with REAL conservatives AND take 4 more Senate seats. Should I throw my crack pipe away ?
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Old 02-14-2011, 11:20 AM   #5
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I'm with you, however as long as independents are allowed to select Republican primary winners, it's a long road.
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I'm with you, however as long as independents are allowed to select Republican primary winners, it's a long road.
yes....the uncommitted voting for vacillating democrats mislabelled as republicans under the guise of non-partisanship but secretly fearing association with something definite and concrete. Nothing like planting both feet on the ground and taking a firm stand. Ugh !
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Old 02-14-2011, 11:59 AM   #7
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If you are blaming independents for the failures of the republican party to live up to conservative promises, I don't think you have a firm grasp on the issue, Fieldmouse.

It's a phenomenon much like a teen asking daddy for the keys to his sports car. They promise to drive safe, go straight from A to B, and not take any of their friends joyriding. Then when they get the keys, they put the pedal to the medal, show off for their friends, cruise by the girl's house they've been hitting on, and take everyone that asks for a ride. The only difference is the process to taking the keys back is a lot slower, and the accountability has been pretty weak.
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Old 02-14-2011, 06:17 PM   #8
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Well you tell me this NT. Don't I have a constitutional right of freedom of association? Isn't that freedom of association being violated when members who declare no party association are allowed to vote in the primary where I choose who should represent my interest? Take this last election. It was Independents who put McCain on the ticket not conservatives and not republicans. Why can't we select our own ticket?
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Gotta admit...didn't see that one coming but I agree. I would consider a voter who declares himself INDEPENDENT as being unattached to any political party. As such, I'd ban his/her participation in any part of the primary process until or unless they declare party affiliation. Seems only right....
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Old 02-15-2011, 05:03 AM   #10
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Well you tell me this NT. Don't I have a constitutional right of freedom of association? Isn't that freedom of association being violated when members who declare no party association are allowed to vote in the primary where I choose who should represent my interest? Take this last election. It was Independents who put McCain on the ticket not conservatives and not republicans. Why can't we select our own ticket?
You know that varies from state to state. And the High Republican Cheer Leader (Rush) supports Republicans jumping ship into the Dem primary to vote for the worst candidate in whatever states that is legal. But in principle, I agree with you. In order to vote for the leader of the club, you must be a member of the club. That is why I have quit voting in primaries.

FM, you paint all independents with the same brush. Believe it or not, some independents are not wishy-washy, but have consistent conservative values, and view the current representation of the Republican party as wishy-washy.
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