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What's sad is people like Hockeydad are allowed to vote!!
Don't worry I don't vote and never plan to again. I could never vote for the wretched candidates we call politicians today. It would be like voting for Satan to run heaven.
For the record I voted 3 times, Reagan in 84, Bush in 88 and Jr in 2000. The only vote I didn't regret was Reagan. Bush forced ethanol down my throat and Jr forced prescription drugs for the elderly. Both expanded federal power and spending more rapidly than the Democrats. There truly is no reason to vote if you are a fiscal conservative. There are no fiscal conservatives in government.
Whats worse? Republicans who lie and say they are fiscal conservatives or Democrats who don't even pretend to be fiscal conservatives. At least the Democrats are honest about their ruinous agenda, Republicans are deceitful about theirs. Last edited by hockeydad; 02-07-2011 at 01:42 PM.
I saw this in a thread moved to the Offseason forum and it is simply too compelling of a topic to leave out of a good political discussion.
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Good greif what a ...Deleted by CalHunter... ! No vote and whining like a stuck pig about everything under the sun...and yet, the numbers of non-americans like this are legion. We rot from within....
Bergall does bring up a good point.
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Originally Posted by bergall Good greif what a ...Deleted by CalHunter... ! No vote and whining like a stuck pig about everything under the sun...and yet, the numbers of non-americans like this are legion. We rot from within....
That's an easy, flag-waving thing to say. I disagree with a lot of HD's posts, but there is a lot of truth in his last statement. I vote, but I generally write-in. Most people...maybe even you...consider that a wasted vote akin to not voting at all. Voting is the ILLUSION of choice, at least in the larger elections, especially the presidential. At least HD recognizes this. You had McCain and Obama because that's who the your masters wanted to be there. I'm glad to say that I didn't vote for either one of those PIECES OF SH*T!! The parties appear to be polar opposites, but they agree on much, and much of what they agree on affects us to a greater degree than what they disagree over.
Interesting how you use the insult "puke" on a such a wide variety of folks.
7.62 brings up a valid alternative to voting for somebody you don't approve of.
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It may be an "illusion of choice" to you, but, I will GUARANTEE that McCain would not have appointed the likes of Sotomayor and Kagen to the U.S. Supreme Court. If one of the Conservatives resigns, or dies of old age, and Obama gets to appoint another one, you're going to need that flag, because the 2nd Amendment will be history, and they will, indeed, come and take it... A write in vote is a vote for Obama.
This is spot on IMHO.
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Originally Posted by ipscshooter It may be an "illusion of choice" to you, but, I will GUARANTEE that McCain would not have appointed the likes of Sotomayor and Kagen to the U.S. Supreme Court. If one of the Conservatives resigns, or dies of old age, and Obama gets to appoint another one, you're going to need that flag, because the 2nd Amendment will be history, and they will, indeed, come and take it... A write in vote is a vote for Obama.
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I am continually amazed that some people have such a difficult time understanding this.][/quote]
DLG is quite correct in that people often overlook this salient point.
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I am less and less inclined to vote every year,
last NY elections i voted for the rent too damn high guy,
simply because i couldnt see myself voting for the other candidates ,
as for last presidential elections,
i dont even recall who i voted for,
3rd party?
couldnt vote for either obama nor mccain,
and people starting to see their true colors on both,
every year its a choice of lesser of 2 evils and am sick of it.
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And I’m continually amazed that people actually believe that 1) there is a difference between the big-time republicans and democrats 2)that the two-party system is a good thing 3) that there doesn’t have to be SACRIFICE in order to achieve a political system that at least resembles integrity and constitutional law.
As HD said, at least the democrats are honest about their despicable endeavors and agenda. It may take a republican-controlled government longer to get to where the dems want to go now, but they’ll get there eventually. I wonder how “conservative” today’s republicans are compared to democrats of, say, the 30’s?
If it got to the point where Obama did appoint another anti-gun candidate to the SCOTUS and they backed over previous SCOTUS decisions, said that gun ownership is not an individual right and moved to confiscate, they would have a WAR on their hands. And though I am against violent opposition for a number of reasons (though one of the primary ones is that it only STRENGTHENS gov’t), that would be the final line to be crossed. Maybe that’s what it would take to wake up the sleeping public into realizing that gov’ts always, ALWAYS tend toward tyranny (LOL, if only it were that simple) and that we must vigilantly defend ALL of our basic freedoms, all the time. But who am I kidding? Even with such an egregious violation such as mass gun confiscation, there are too many sheep glued to Fox, CNN, NBC and the rest to understand the implications of that and thereby oppose their gov’t.
The point is, “conservative” or not, your gov’t at large does not give a **** about you or the Constitution. You may be content to vote for the lesser of two evils (as you perceive it) and be slowly suffocated to death, but I am not. If there is going to be change, the political system needs a massive enema, to put it lightly. But, again, who am I kidding? The Tea Party began as an earnest grass-roots movement, and once it started to gain momentum, it was hijacked by the likes of Sarah Palin and Glenn Beck. The parties and the media are controlled, period. The internet is the last frontier of freedom, and already it is being eroded. How much longer will it last?
A lot of good points and some that oversimplify things.
1. There is a difference between the Republicans and Democrats but that "difference" has shrunk far more than it should. Too many Republicans are either moderate or liberal.
2. Believe it or not, the 2-party system is a good thing in that a 1-party system is essentially a dictatorship. What's interesting in America is a valid 3rd "party" is finally emerging in the Tea Party. They are avoiding most of the social topic snafus of the other 2 parties and focusing on fiscal issues where a majority of Americans agree.
3. Sacrifice can mean many things. In our case, hard work, dedication and "integrity" are absolutely necessary.
The President's appointments to the SC have a huge effect on our country and should always be a consideration in who to vote for President.
Both Bush's were somewhat of disappointments at Presidents although each did have some strengths and good qualities to bring to the table. Both were better than the alternatives and both were somewhat centrist (JR leaned a little more to the right) in many of their policies.
McCain was even weaker than either Bush as a Republican candidate and Obama had a lot of unusual things working in his favor all at the same time. Obama's lack of a track record has now been replaced with an awful track record and he will have to run on that record in 2012 although I'm sure Barry and some of his die-hard supporters will try to continue the blame Bush game.
I would not be so quick to write off or dismiss the Tea Party as being hijacked by Palin, Beck or anybody else. The TP'ers have an awesome short list of fiscal planks for their movement and should continue to grow and influence many congressional elections. I realize HD did not say he didn't vote in congressional elections so won't accuse him of not participating in those.
IMHO, the Tea Party is going to have it's most profound effect in congressional elections and probably is not able to swing a presidential election for at least another 8-10 years. That isn't meant to dismiss the TP's importance--just the opposite. I believe the TP is actually what is going to help save our country. By electing responsible and fiscally prudent congressmen and Senators, the TP will be hugely effective in getting our country back on track.
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I vote every time the polls are open. If anything, my one measly vote is my only voice. Collectively, our measly votes are our only voice, and collectively speaks volumes. The duality of politics has made it hard, but even voting for the lesser of two evil, you are saying something against the bigger evil. And eventually a message is heard. Take for instant the Republican party. They P.O.ed America because they drifting away from principal. They got their butts handed to them. Now they are returning to their principals and are more savory. Let’s look at the Demos for instances as well. They ran amuck and went on a power binge. Nov. they got their butts handed to them. Look what is happening, Obama is moving more to the center (or at least appears to a small extent), and many of the Demos are more inclined to listen to constituents than they were before. Through our votes, we have displayed our discontent with the direction of either party, causing them to change course. Just imagine if we set at home and did not vote, the party that is out of control, would just stay that way.
An even better example was Clinton. Look at what our votes did to him. He was an Obama, but when his party got its butt handed to them, Clinton moved to the center
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