Has anyone heard about the mic that was left on by accident in the Ca. democrat closed door meeting? Supposedly they were talikng about how they could keep California' s economy in the toilet until they could come up with a way to blame the republicans for it.
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Yeah, I heard about it. I have to get the link for it for you... Word has it, it' s true and a woman congressman was heard muttering, " Oh, F#&@" all caught on microphone! Stand by..... I' ll post back with a hyperlink.
I found this article about the Libbies in Kalifornia.... Makes me sick! [:@]
Butch
----------------------- cut ' n pasted from foxnews.com ---------------------------
Posted on Tue, Jul. 22, 2003
Open mic catches California Democrats
Associated Press
SACRAMENTO, Calif. - Unaware that a live microphone was broadcasting their words around the Capitol, Assembly Democrats meeting behind closed doors debated prolonging California' s budget crisis for political gain.
Members of the coalition of liberal Democrats talked about slowing progress on the budget as a means of increasing pressure on Republicans.
A microphone had been left on during the closed meeting Monday, and the conversation was transmitted to about 500 " squawk boxes" that enable staff members, lobbyists and reporters to listen in on legislative meetings.
Some members of the group, including Assemblywoman Jackie Goldberg, said if the budget crisis were extended, it could improve chances for a ballot initiative that would make it easier for the Democrats to raise taxes by lowering the threshold for passage from two-thirds to 55 percent.
" No one is running" for re-election, she said, according to a transcript made by Republicans. " And maybe you end up better off than you would have, and maybe you don' t. But what you do is show people that you can' t get to this without a 55 percent vote."
Assembly Republican Leader Dave Cox said that he was disappointed that Democrats would consider using the budget crisis to their political advantage.
Assembly Speaker Herb Wesson, a Democrat, tried to brush aside criticism of the meeting, calling it a " bull session" that didn' t have much significance.
" For anyone, Democrat or Republican, to think there is some political advantage in this crisis, I think they are wrong," he said.
Goldberg said her comments were part of a larger discussion about whether it would be better to make deeper cuts this year to give taxpayers a taste of how bad things would be without a tax increase.
" It meant whether or not we do the things this year or next year that let the public understand how serious the situation is," Goldberg said.
I' d like to see the entire transcript, I bet it' d be an interesting read. You can bet you but that good ol' Davis and the rest of his party are screwed now. I hope the Republicans hang these liberal idiots from the tallest redwood in Kalifornia. They deserve it. At the very least they need to make sure every voter knows about the liberal treachery.
Mike, this is from a local TV news channel website. It' s ' excerpts" from the taping so I don' t know if it' s complete or not. Here' s the link for the website also:
[link]file:///C|/WINDOWS/Temporary Internet Files/Content.IE5/2967UT6Z/News10 - Excepts From Democratic Caucus Discussion.htm[/link]
Quote:
Excepts From Democratic Caucus
Discussion
Supplied by the Assembly Republic Caucus
Unidentified Assemblymember [possibly Nunez]:
Hannah-Beth, are you saying that if we don' t take it to the point if
we don' t get more revenues, we do not support a budget that has
an additional $1.5 billion worth of cuts. "¦ At least to start it off at
the point of discussion.
* * *
Assemblymember Jackson: "¦the question is how are they
going to formulate the budget they are going to send over to us.
Where' s the next $1.5 billion in cuts going to come from?
* * *
Unidentified Assemblymember [possibly Nunez]: I
understand that, Hannah-Beth. My point is, given that we know we
are not going to get new revenues the, is what we' re saying that
we just want to have input as to where those cuts are going to be
or are we saying we don' t support cuts that deeply into this
budget"¦.
* * *
Assemblymember Jackson: "¦The question is, I think we' re
looking at $1.5 billion worth of cuts "¦
* * *
Unidentified Assemblymember [possibly Dymally]:
Hannah-Beth, "¦what are we asking, what are we saying to the
Senate folks?
* * *
Assemblymember Jackson: "¦We want to know what your
plan is"¦what are you proposing?"¦the reality is that when the
Senate sends it over to us, it is going "¦ it is going to be a
problem in 04-05. We want them to respect our input so that we
can go out when we do get a budget"¦.
* * *
Assemblymember Nunez: No. But, you know, there' s a very
responsible perspective to that, in that precipitating the crisis
does not necessarily mean that -- if you' re thinking about this is,
the strategy for the 55 percent, all the polls, all the polls suggest
that if you don' t have a budget, that it lent itself to help support the
effort for the 55 percent. That' s what the proponents say - CTA
and the others - are saying about that. In addition, in terms of the
recall, the extent to which the Governor can do a good job of
making a connection between having no budget and the
Republican [inaud] on the recall -- I don' t know if any of you have
heard the Darrell Issa commercials on the radio, but they' re all
about the budget. It' s all about what' s going on right now. That' s
why he wants to be governor. And he' s saying " we don' t have a
budget because of Gray Davis." The folks that are heading up the
anti-recall effort think if you don' t have the budget, it helps
Democrats in the recall effort. If you don' t have a budget, it helps
Democrats on the 55 percent. So if you' re looking strictly at
outcomes in terms of how we' re preparing and gearing ourselves
to win the war on the 55 percent, there are, [inaud] I mean,
there' s"¦
* * *
Assemblymember Goldberg: The question that I have, is that -
and I go back to both ' 92 and to ' 78 - when people never saw
what, they never got to see really up front and close what Prop 13
really did. Because what we did in education was is that teachers
started subsidizing their classrooms, and we cut out art and we
cut out music and we cut out drama and we cut out sports in
some areas and, cut out tutoring and [inaud] teachers and we
raised class size. And people thought: look, schools are all still
open, this didn' t hurt anyone. Some of us are thinking that maybe
people should see the pain up close and personal, right now.
* * *
Assemblymember Goldberg: "¦they are 10, 10, and 5 over
there. Ten want to hold out for [inaud], ten want to [inaud], and five
[inaud]. We' re going to try and find out tomorrow where we are. "
* * *
Assemblymember Goldberg: But we have to figure out what
we do think. And I do think it has to be in line with two things, and
that' s one of the reasons that I asked Mr. Dymally to get us
together. One is how it impacts the 55 percent proposition. And
secondly whether or not - if there' s going to be a crisis to happen
- if there' s going to be a crisis, whether it should be this year or
next year, in terms of members of our House who want to get
re-elected, in terms of members of our House who [inaud].
Personally, I think the crisis is better off this year than next year.
But that' s a discussion that I just want to make sure you have, and
that' s happens, and that' s why [inaud]"¦
* * *
Unidentified Assemblymember [possibly Laird]: "¦to talk
with her about the budget and see if that' s the thing that we feel
like those concerns have been removed and that it' s worked as a
political strategy. If we got every Dem but Marco and Richman to
go up on it, and suddenly "¦ I mean that' s the first line that can be
crossed in public. Politically, there' s some statements.
And if the Senate is about to send something worse, they might
be in a better position and it might even force the out-year issue. I
think that' s a strategy worth taking a hard look at. And maybe an
intermediate step is meeting with them to see if, strategy-wise, if
that is something worth recommending to this group. And should
we toss that out?
Assemblymember Goldberg: I will say that Canciamilla
reported that Richman would not go for that budget. I hear that if it
didn' t include a commitment on workers' comp -- 17200 and other
structural needs.
Unidentified Assemblymember: So technically it' s [inaudible].
Assemblymember Goldberg: So here' s the question.
Unidentified Assemblymember: You said both of those and
some other structure.
Assemblymember Dymally: Alan? Alan?
Assemblymember Jackson: We need to also keep in mind
there is another factor here. We' ve got a problem. Excuse me, but
don' t Mr. Brulte and Mr. Cox dislike each other? So, will Cox
automatically accept a Brulte budget, or is there something else?
Unidentified Assemblymember: That' s another story
Assemblymember Jackson: Well, yes that is another story.
Unidentified Assemblymember [possibly Levine]: It' s our
story. It' s our story. If we' re sitting there getting hit. At some point,
the decision, as John said, has got to be 28 Republicans or 26
Dems; it' s really their budget. So, that more Republicans go up
and yet the Cox/Brulte thing - you know, they hate each other -
because"¦ I don' t want to go up on that budget.
Assemblymember Goldberg: Yes
Assemblymember Laird: And whether it' s two of us who have
less than 50 percent Dems in our district that have high green
turnouts or something like that. You know (inaudible).
Assemblymember Goldberg: It' s up to my successor"¦..
Unidentified Assemblymember: Yes, that' s not where we need
to be put up our budget. So, there needs to be a lot of
Republicans up to give some people a pass and the Cox-Brulte
thing is very much trouble.
Assemblymember Goldberg: That won' t happen. I think it' s very
unlikely that a Democrat will get a pass on any of these budgets. I
just don' t think that' s going to happen. If I might just say, I think
Allan and Patty both worked on that budget didn' t you? I think it
would be wonderful if we could find out in Canciamilla and
Richman.
Unidentified Staffer: Excuse me, guys, you can be heard
outside.
Assemblymember Goldberg: Oh, sh--.
Unidentified Staffer: The squawk box is on - you need to turn it
off right there.
Assemblymember Goldberg: How could that happen?
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If you can read this, thank a teacher. If you can read this in English, thank a veteran.
If you're certain you know everything, there's little opportunity to learn anything.
This same strategy is being pursued by the democrats on the national level. Just listen to McCauliffe, Carville, and the rest of the stooges. Gloom & doom, bad on the administration, grab your a$$ ' cause we' re all going down on this sinking ship. What makes this so sad is how many followers these ding dongs have. The very last thing these people want is a great economy right now. To hell with your tax cut! (But hide and watch while I spend the money). The economy is terrible. (But hide and watch while I move my money around and capitalize on the surging stocks).
The Californians implicated here should pay the price and get voted out of office. Will they? Does a big bear hunt for an outhouse?
Has anyone heard about this on CNN, NBC, ABC, or CBS or any other liberal network? But I guarantee if it was the republicans *** on the line here it would be on everyone of them, non-stop. These people are more dangerous to America than the terrorist are. When is people going to wake up and face reality? When are they going to see what this bunch of thugs are up to? Rush is right again, the demmies would rather the country suffer than for them to be out of power.
LIBERALISM STINKS.
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Assembly Speaker Herb Wesson, a Democrat, tried to brush aside criticism of the meeting, calling it a " bull session" that didn' t have much significance.
" For anyone, Democrat or Republican, to think there is some political advantage in this crisis, I think they are wrong," he said.
Ya Right !!!!! Damn politicians !!!! All they look out for is their own ASS !!!!!!
Fire em all and start over !!!!!![:@][:@]
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The folks that are heading up the
anti-recall effort think if you don' t have the budget, it helps
Democrats in the recall effort. If you don' t have a budget, it helps
Democrats on the 55 percent. So if you' re looking strictly at
outcomes in terms of how we' re preparing and gearing ourselves
to win the war on the 55 percent, there are, [inaud] I mean,
there' s"¦
Now there is what the democrats think of Ca. and America. Hard to believe our country has come to this.
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GUN-OWNERS, UNITED WE STAND DIVIDED WE FALL.
Mic turned on in the libbies room.
